My resident pet troll, who posts under all sorts of names for some reason (any strange name that you see over and over again is likely the troll -- usually some attempt at relating to the post, but sometimes not), is doing more whining. On a post about SCHIP, the troll (posting on that thread as John Daley) claims to be God of America.

This is a position that the left often takes. It's one thing to think that you know better than everyone else, but you have truly descended into the den of evil when you ask

How does the couple with $22,800 spendable income afford a private health insurance plan?

He also keeps pestering me about how much I pay for insurance. You see, there's one answer to that question in a free country (which America is not):

WHO CARES? IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE

Keep in mind: government can buy NOTHING without first taking from someone else.

Well gee, can people afford cell phones? Maybe they're "too expensive" so government should buy some of those. Oh, people don't "need" those? How about cars? Are they "too expensive?" If so, government better get to buying some for people. Oh, and we better get some more people like John Daley paying more attention so they can tell everyone else the EXACT price that things should cost. After all, how are we to determine how much is "too much" if we don't have someone who knows better to tell us? And hey, houses are kind of expensive, and everyone "needs" a house, too, right? Better get government to buy some more of those.

Hey, what about food? People absolutely really need food right? Well, how much, exactly, should a can of baked beans cost? Is 33 cents "too much?" I think John Daley needs to tell us. Should government show up and force everyone to only charge 31 cents? Should we fine people and throw them in jail for charging 37 cents for a can of beans? In John Daley's world, apparently we should.

But this is the world of liberals today. They honestly believe that they are gods in America. They believe they know exactly how much people should pay for everything because they're smarter than everyone else. And they hate freedom (even if they won't admit it). How much "should" health insurance cost? Whatever two people agree it should cost. If I can get someone to give it to me for 2 chickens a week, we should be able to trade. But in the fantasy-land that is liberalism, that's not "fair."

In a free country, people are free to come to an agreement about trading for goods and services. We are not free to do that in this country for many things -- health insurance is just one of them. I cannot buy the health insurance I want today -- not because of the "evil" companies, but because the government of North Carolina WILL NOT LET ME. They have made it illegal and will fine anyone who dares sell me the insurance I want.

Liberals like this idea. Liberals believe that "rights" extend to anything they deem people should have. And they don't care who they have to punish, jail, or enslave to get what they want. No, they won't use their money to buy things for people that they want them to have -- but they're more than willing to use the force of government to take from YOU so they can buy things THEY decide others "should" have. And that's just incredibly selfish and pure evil.

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1 The couple who is earning that little income need to re-evaluate their careers. IOW, get a job that provides health insurance as a benefit. Wal Mart is always hiring. They pay 10 to 12 bucks an hour and offer plans for as little as 11 bucks a week- thats about 40 cans of beans. Gimme a break. I once made that amount of money and I managed quite well. Its called living within your means and sacrificing the beans. Literally.

Posted by: Raven at November 08, 2007 01:34 PM (Vvbj+)

2 But that's not how liberals think. By creating a "right" to health insurance, they honestly believe in slavery. Seriously. Because if there's no one to provide something for free, government WILL force someone to provide it -- or force someone else to pay to provide it. And if you refuse, you will be jailed. That's slavery, plain and simple.

Posted by: Ogre at November 08, 2007 02:00 PM (oifEm)

3 Hmm, so John Daley (funny, there is a poster at the NJ.com forum I get on that used to use that name before it was banned) thinks we should be concerned over a couple who are apparently so lame that they both have jobs that pay them minimum wage? Heck, if they were both getting min wage, they would be making over $23K. Perhaps they should, as Raven suggest, look for new jobs. Also, maybe some education and a proper work ethic.

Posted by: William Teach at November 08, 2007 02:15 PM (NaHh8)

4 Sorry, "work ethics," and "responsibility" are disallowed in the Utopian world of liberals today.

Posted by: Ogre at November 08, 2007 02:34 PM (oifEm)

5 My bad!

Posted by: William Teach at November 08, 2007 03:27 PM (NaHh8)

6 No, no, it's not your fault. It's Bush's fault. And there's a government program to help you overcome your attraction to responsibility. It's called the "public education system."

Posted by: Ogre at November 08, 2007 03:57 PM (oifEm)

7 Some people run into circumstances that truly place them in a bind. I had a friend who was married and they had four kids; she stayed at home to take care of the kids and he worked as a construction contractor. He up and died one morning- while he was out running. No warning, in good health, ect...he held the insurance for the family. That ended 30 days after his death of course. Along with the family income. They had saved enough money for her to get by for 6 mos- make the house payments and all that. And he had life insurance. She paid off the house and car loans and nothing was left. She sold the house to get money to pay for a college education for herself (in nursing). She also used some of the money to cover living expenses such as an apartment, food, gas...her friends took care of her kids while she attended classes. the family had no health insurance and no income to speak of...so she enrolled her kids in NH's Healthy Kids Program- which is S CHIP. She kept herself uninsured ( now she wouldn't be able to do that AND attend college- everyone has to be insured.) For three years she relied upon NHHK- and she had to pay premiums for this. I think it was around 30 a month for each kid... After three yrs she got her degree and a good job at a local hospital. Now she is self reliant and doesn't except guvmint help; according to my states poverty levels though she STILL qualifies for S CHIP. When she got her first paycheck from her new career, she wrote a check to my state to pay back some of the money she "borrowed" using the program and she figures she has paid back every penny: She wrote checks every two weeks for a year. HOWS THAT for ethics?? I can hear the liberals now!

Posted by: Raven at November 08, 2007 04:10 PM (Vvbj+)

8 Liberals simply cannot stand people like that. They hate them -- but they love the income they produce because that is where liberals get their money. And funny you should mention NH and SCHIP -- I just talked to my brother. He has dropped ALL health insurance because he doesn't need it any more. His entire family just goes to the doctor and says, "No, we don't have insurance" -- and they get any and all medicine and health care they want. The "state" pays for everything. And yes, he and his wife are employed. Her employer offers insurance. He could buy it -- but why bother when he doesn't actually get anything for it? Spending hundreds of dollars a month to buy something they can get for "free?" He can't see doing it. Hold on to your wallet, Raven.

Posted by: Ogre at November 08, 2007 04:13 PM (oifEm)

9 uuugh!!! YOUR brother? is he a liberal or what? He should be aware that his kids cannot attend school, enroll in college or enter sports programs without insurance. I'm wondering HOW he did it? I cannot drop my insurance without proving I have another plan or assets to pay for my health care first. Does he work for a small firm that doesn't fall under the fed rules now? Interesting.

Posted by: Raven at November 08, 2007 04:41 PM (Vvbj+)

10 I wouldn't call him a liberal. I'm not sure he's ever voted. He more a hippy than anything. And his kids are in school. He is self-employed, so he just doesn't buy insurance. His wife works for ... wait for it ... THE SCHOOL DISTRICT and just refuses health insurance when they offer it to her.

Posted by: Ogre at November 08, 2007 04:43 PM (oifEm)

11 Well the kids are already in school so they don't KNOW they have no insurance. Just wait. Your brother will see....and she's just crazy to turn down a school district plan. She really is. The school will make them enroll the kids in NHHK- for free if income is below poverty levels. Otherwise they will have to pay a premium which isn't much.

Posted by: Raven at November 08, 2007 04:54 PM (Vvbj+)

12 Holy Cow... what a post and comments! First of all, I salute Raven's friend. She is obviously made from the same stock our grandparents were made from! Having been a single Mom myself, working 20 hrs a week for $4.50 an hour at my sons childcare (so he could attend private school), I went without insurance for a couple of years (My son was covered by his father's insurance, for which I was grateful). At any rate I'm still alive, and I don't feel like I owe anyone insurance. I pay out the wazoo to have the coverage I have, but I provide it for myself so anyone else can do it if they want it badly enough. Two things libs don't seem to have... accountablity and responsibility. I know... there I go being Politically Incorrect again! I came to my conservative point of view because I got tired of seeing all these people living the "entitlement lifestyle" off hard working peoples tax dollars. I struggled my way through school, lived in poverty while I did it, and nobody gave me a thing. I waited on tables at banquets and made a few dollars to put food in the house, and now that I can live deciently, I have liberals wanting to raise my taxes so middle class families can have healthcare! In the words of George Thorogood... GET A HAIRCUT and GET A REAL JOB!!!!

Posted by: HoosierArmyMom at November 08, 2007 05:11 PM (eaqGd)

13 Raven, I don't think the kids are enrolled in any such program -- but even the parents are right now getting free medical care. He says they just say "no insurance" and no one asks anything else. Insane. And do you notice the common thread here? Talking about responsibility and the like and people's histories? I guess I can relate, too, because at one point in my life I was honestly homeless and had nothing but a sea bag full of clothes. That was my entire life. As you can imagine, I got a job, saved money, and worked hard. Now I just get punished for working hard by paying for other people to NOT work...

Posted by: Ogre at November 08, 2007 05:39 PM (oifEm)

14 I would like to buy an Island and right off the bat... no government. Everybody just takes care of things and works and lives and that's that! What about defense?... that's what the right to bear arms is all about. Make a co-op for power needs, everyone uses horses and buggies like the Amish, to get around the Island and NO TELEVISION. It's such a lovely dream. But of course I wake up... drat!

Posted by: HoosierArmyMom at November 08, 2007 05:53 PM (eaqGd)

15 That's a dream many share -- and some think it can be done, here and now. Ever checked out the Free State Project? http://www.freestateproject.org/

Posted by: Ogre at November 08, 2007 05:58 PM (oifEm)

16 That is about the most awesome idea I've seen. Only if Ron Paul is part of it, the libs will probably figure out a way to stop it. The only thing I would feel hesitant about... there is snow there! I have always wanted to move south and get away from winter! Oh well, I drove through NH and Maine about 3 years ago, and it is a beautiful state. I'm going to check that out more closely when I'm not at work. LOL!

Posted by: HoosierArmyMom at November 08, 2007 06:18 PM (eaqGd)

17 Hey, isn't that where Raven lives??? I bet she could put us all up for say... a few months! LOL!!! Just kidding Raven, don't go out purchase security hon!

Posted by: HoosierArmyMom at November 08, 2007 06:19 PM (eaqGd)

18 Ron Paul actually isn't part of it -- this movement has been going on for years, just recently Paul found out about it and agreed with it. And yes, Raven does live up there. That's one of the reasons they picked NH -- because there's already a lot of freedom-minded people there. As for the snow -- move to the southern part of the state, they hardly get any any more, thanks to algore's global warming!

Posted by: Ogre at November 08, 2007 06:23 PM (oifEm)

19 That is a very interesting project. And here I thought I wanted to retire to New Mexico or Arizona or something. LOL! Thank goodness for bad science and Al, now I can really have hope as he jets around speading his carbon signiture from coast to coast! Whew!!!!

Posted by: HoosierArmyMom at November 08, 2007 06:36 PM (eaqGd)

20 There's already 400+ people who have moved, and now over 8,000 have pledged to move. And just 400 are already having an effect. They're having a convention of sorts in January, and at least one of NH's senators are scheduled to attend. They're gaining speed. And I think this is just about the only chance for true liberty left in America today.

Posted by: Ogre at November 08, 2007 06:50 PM (oifEm)

21 My birthday is in January, maybe I'll treat myself to a convention. I think Peterborough is where they make really cool baskets. It is an intriguing thought, though I would think the existance of such a state would make the people in power very nervous.

Posted by: HoosierArmyMom at November 08, 2007 06:57 PM (eaqGd)

22 Jan 3-6: http://www.freestateproject.org/libertyforum And yes, such a state does make a lot of power mongers nervous. People associated with the Free State are often attacked in the press and have been harassed by federal agents (even ones that aren't using civil disobedience).

Posted by: Ogre at November 08, 2007 07:05 PM (oifEm)

23 Since my b-day's on the 9th, that would be just about perfect. And as far as harrassment goes... doesn't scare me. After all, Freedom isn't free (as you well know). I just want to hear for myself what it is like to live in a state where you are truly free. Also, a state who's Primary molds many opinions politically.

Posted by: HoosierArmyMom at November 08, 2007 07:10 PM (eaqGd)

24 I'm thinking about getting up there for that, but I'm not sure I'll have the cash for the trip...and driving from my house to there is about 13 hours...

Posted by: Ogre at November 08, 2007 07:46 PM (oifEm)

25 I remember going to Canada, and I flew into Manchester for about $80 on SouthWorst via Indy-Chicago-Manchester. I then rented a Sunbird pretty cheap and made my way to New Brunswick. I just try to look for travel deals and book early so I can get a deeper discount sometimes and at least get the price locked in. I may look into Amtrak too and see if they go near there. I guess I'm just cheap and lazy when it comes to travel. LOL!!!

Posted by: HoosierArmyMom at November 08, 2007 08:01 PM (eaqGd)

26 I'd take SW in a minute -- but the people in power in Charlotte will not permit them in. They pay US Air, US Air pays them, and the people get what US Air wants. Amtrak is good, but you can't get past Boston. If you want an hour or two drive up from Boston, the train works well (I did that one year).

Posted by: Ogre at November 08, 2007 08:05 PM (oifEm)

27 I think SW goes to the Raliegh-Durham airport to if you wanted to make that drive. I can see many possibilities if you don't mind jumping through a hoop or two. I never do if theres a good savings involved. :-)

Posted by: HoosierArmyMom at November 08, 2007 08:11 PM (eaqGd)

28 I once flew from Charlotte to Manchester, NH via Chicago...because it was $200 cheaper. Oh, I'll jump 'em. And hey, if it's timed just right, the NH Primary may be just days after this conference.

Posted by: Ogre at November 08, 2007 08:18 PM (oifEm)

29 That would be extremely interesting!

Posted by: HoosierArmyMom at November 08, 2007 08:20 PM (eaqGd)

30 Hey, they had a Porcupine Fest in June that looks like it was pretty cool.

Posted by: HoosierArmyMom at November 08, 2007 08:28 PM (eaqGd)

31 I missed that one by a week -- I was in NH the week after it was held. Darn work obligations...

Posted by: Ogre at November 08, 2007 08:33 PM (oifEm)

32 Work can be a drag and definately cuts into freedom a bit, but without it, there is no freedom from government... so, there ya have it. It looks like Nashua is right between Beantown and Manchester, so either option would be worthy as a destination for discount airfare or train.

Posted by: HoosierArmyMom at November 08, 2007 08:36 PM (eaqGd)

33 NH is still a great state to live in. No income tax. No overmeddling guvmint YET...we need more self reliant people to come up and help keep it FREE. The weather isn't that bad...sheesh...and when it is its great for winter sports! Mostly small towns with lots of character and ambiance...I wouldn't live anywhere else.

Posted by: Raven at November 08, 2007 09:28 PM (5xw89)

34 Hummmmm... sounds terrific Raven. I will most definately plan on checking it out come January. That ought to tell me all I need to know about winter and my tolerance, eh? It does sound lovely there.

Posted by: HoosierArmyMom at November 08, 2007 09:55 PM (eaqGd)

35 Well, I think we all know who "John Daley is now... Meaty needs to just give it up! I hope he has a "union card" because with all the cherry picking he does, he will need to show proof that he is doing it legally!

Posted by: HoosierArmyMom at November 09, 2007 04:27 AM (TzKlC)

36 Them liberals are trying to screw up New Hampshire right now, real bad. Can you say, "Smoking ban on private property?" But hopefully more freedom loving people will move there and the nanny-staters will move away. Hey, I can hope. As for John being Meaty, I don't think so. Meaty sees the world through his own slanted vision and absolutely cannot comprehend reality. John appears to be able to comprehend reality, he just doesn't like it or freedom very much.

Posted by: Ogre at November 09, 2007 02:02 PM (oifEm)

37 I have been thinking that if I like NH in January, I may just commit. I think in 5 years I can settle things here, get rid of my house and be free to go. I could truly commit to such a project and saving a great state from having a "tradition of freedom" lost to the same liberalism that is destroying freedom everywhere else. Sounds like a good thing if I can get the money together to do it, I'll go in January.

Posted by: HoosierArmyMom at November 09, 2007 05:11 PM (eaqGd)

38 There's battles for freedom ongoing today. I just honestly thing that NH has the best chance of actually winning right now. The more freedom-lovers that move there, the better that chance!

Posted by: Ogre at November 09, 2007 05:12 PM (oifEm)

39 Well, I'm convenced that it is something to be considered as a viable option and checked out. I went through the 101 reasons to go there last night, and they were impressive reasons.

Posted by: HoosierArmyMom at November 09, 2007 05:40 PM (eaqGd)

40 I LOVE that 101 reasons list! And really, some people have already moved and are already making a difference. You have to be a resident for 2 years before you can run for state office -- and many new movers are getting ready to do that soon, too!

Posted by: Ogre at November 09, 2007 06:08 PM (oifEm)

41 It sounds so exciting. I would just be happy to be a voter and participate in a more intelligent political system. You know, support the people that want to live free and productive lives.

Posted by: HoosierArmyMom at November 09, 2007 08:12 PM (eaqGd)

42 You would be welcomed there.

Posted by: Ogre at November 09, 2007 08:18 PM (oifEm)

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Want to know what government health care looks like. take a peek.

Just think about it, seriously. When you go to a government office, ANY government office, to deal with a bureaucrat, when is the last time you thought they had ANY feelings? Have you heard them say, "Gee, I'm sorry, I'm just doing my job?" Or perhaps you've heard, "Well, we just have to do it that way." Put government even more in charge of health care and you WILL have doctors and nurse bureaucrats saying the exact same things. Go ahead, elect Hillary. You WILL see more of this sort of thing.

(H/T to Kender)

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So, all you horny teenage boys who want to see naked women, you can now do so in the Montgomery County locker rooms. Well, technically not yet, but the county there is considering allowing any and all genders in the women's locker room. If you're a pervert or a pedophile, you are welcome in Montgomery County. If you like gawking at naked women, move to Maryland, land of open sex.

Of course, you might not actually see any naked women or girls in those locker rooms, because any one female with the tiniest bit of sense will simply avoid those locker rooms at all costs. Don't worry, though, I'm sure this government will soon pass a law allowing perverts and teenage boys in your home bathroom, too. After all, otherwise it would be "discrimination."

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I like the American Legion. I suppose that's why I'm a member. And when they do things like this, it just makes me glad I'm a member (even if not a member of that post, nor even any California post).

You see, there's something called "tradition." This country was, whether you like it or not, founded on Judeo-Christian beliefs. And these beliefs include a sense a right and wrong. Now I realize that there are a lot of people (especially in California) that simply do not believe in right and wrong. There are a lot of people that believe there is no absolute truth. Well, they're wrong.

In fact, it was George Washington that said a nation cannot survive without morals and religious principles. If you completely remove all things that are associated with Christianity from the country, you will end up with a lawless land full of evil and destruction. Literally, survival of the fittest will rule -- and I will be able to kill anyone that I want because it wouldn't be wrong.

There's nothing wrong with reciting "In the eyes of a Christian citizen, represents an emblem of eternity and glorifies, in their eyes, God the Father, the Son and Holy Ghost." Did you get that? It doesn't say anything about the person being buried, JUST in the eyes of a Christian citizen. There's NOTHING there that any sane person could possibly consider government endorsement of any religion.

So American Legion, keep up the good work -- the only way today to retain values, morals, and traditions is going to be to ignore the government no matter the cost.

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In case you hadn't heard, The Golden Compass is a movie that will be released in November. It's a "kids" movie. It's purpose is to actively tear down children and religion. It is designed to drag your children away from any semblance of religion and dash any hope they have in their life. It used to be that movies lifted people up. This one is designed to bring you down.

Oh sure, they claim that's not true, but again, the story is about a girl on a quest to kill God. And the author open says that he hates God.

So atheists, celebrate and rejoice. Go and see this movie that was written by some who writes about killing God. But be warned, it is designed to destroy hope in your children. It's designed to make kids think that life is worthless. So of course, the critics love it. How sad.

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The folks at Jessica's Law Now NC sent along this little tidbit that I thought I'd spread around:

This person works in the General Assembly and cannot reveal his name, but he is a big supporter of Jessica's law. Here are this comments: This is important. The thing will never get to the floor or out of committee unless you can get Rand and Basnight on your side. Make it worth their while. Pressure the heck out of them. (This comment is all OFF THE RECORD).

This is how things REALLY WORK in the Senate. It's not above board, like in the House. That's why this bill keeps passing the house but never gets thru the Senate.

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You might want to mention that Senator Berger is the Senate Republican Leader, Senator Brown and Senator Tillman are also supporters. This bill has very little chance of being heard unless you can convince Senator Rand to hear it.

Basnight is king of the Senate. What he says goes, period. It is nearly impossible to overrule him. Indeed, he has more power than the governor, because the governor is term-limited, while he has been there TWENTY-FOUR YEARS. Indeed, if you want something in the state of North Carolina, talk to the king. If he's on your side, no one can stop you. Of course, if he's not on your side, there's no chance that your issue will ever see the light of day.

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1 Very Good article: The New McCarthyism - Human Rights Watch Addresses Difficult Problem http://tinyurl.com/2dgn8b

Posted by: Linda at October 30, 2007 03:17 PM (BcHsU)

2 Interesting article. And certainly, I'm conscious of unintended consequences of laws. But I'd question the article's claim that sex offenders don't have a high recidivism rate. I'd like to see concrete data on that one before I believe it. I also don't have much compassion for a law that requires someone who rapes children to have to live "far from their family."

Posted by: Ogre at October 30, 2007 03:23 PM (oifEm)

3 Laws need to be passed on EMPIRICAL DATA and not emotion created by media hype and polititians need for votes. White Papers, Studies, Official Government Reports, Empirical Information Public Perceptions About Sex Offenders and Community Protection Policies 2007 Jill S. Levenson, Yolanda N. Brannon, Timothy Fortney, Juanita Baker 25 Pages; 536 KB The hypothesis that community members hold inaccurate beliefs about sex offenders was supported. Respondents estimated sex offense recidivism rates to be around 75%. In contrast, the best available evidence suggests that sex offense recidivism rates range from 5 to 14% over 3- to 6-year follow-up periods (Bureau of Justice Statistics, 2003; Hanson & Morton-Bourgon, 2004, 2005) and 24% over 15-year follow-up periods (Harris & Hanson, 2004). Although official recidivism data underestimate true reoffense rates (Hanson&Bussiere, 199 , ample evidence suggests that the majority of convicted sex offenders do not go on to commit new sex crimes. It might have been interesting to ask respondents about their sources information, but we speculate that the media furnishes a substantial amount of this type of data to most people (Lotke, 1997; Proctor et al., 2002; Sample & Kadleck, 2006). Respondents were accurate in their assessment that many victims know their abusers, but overestimated the number of sexual assaults committed by strangers. Apparently the myth that many rapes occur in dark alleys remains prevalent, despite evidence to the contrary (Bureau of Justice Statistics, 2002, 2004). Also, there continues to be a perception that sex crime rates are on the rise, probably due to the attention that these crimes receive in the media. In fact, rape arrest rates have decreased steadily since 1991 (Maguire & Pastore, 2003), and child sexual abuse rates have also declined (Finkelhor & Jones, 2004; Jones & Finkelhor, 2003). In sum, these data have important implications for public policy. Our hypothesis that the public is poorly informed about sex offenders was supported. Specifically, myths of extraordinarily high recidivism rates and stranger danger prevail, and the public appears to view all sex offenders as posing a similar threat to communities. These widespread beliefs perpetuate the development of increasingly restrictive policies as politicians endeavor to serve their constituents. In actuality, sex offenders represent a diversity of offense patterns and a wide range of risk for reoffense (Doren, 1998; Hanson & Bussiere, 1998; Hanson & Morton-Bourgon, 2004; Harris & Hanson, 2004; Prentky et al., 1997). As a result, one-size-fits-all policies are not likely to be cost efficient, nor are they likely to afford maximum protection to the public. www.asap-spssi.org/pdf/0701Levenson.pdf

Posted by: Linda at October 30, 2007 03:23 PM (BcHsU)

4 Excellent information, thank you. One part I'd also like, because I didn't think that recidivism rates were that high -- is how often that a person who commits a sex abuse crime has committed one in the past. In other words, I realize that many who commit the crimes don't commit more, but if the vast majority of those who DO commit this type of crime have done it in the past, I see an inherent risk in allowing people like this to go free. And believe me, I take it quite seriously taking away someone's liberty. And I also do realize that many things that are considered "sex crimes" should not be crimes at all, much less "sex" crimes.

Posted by: Ogre at October 30, 2007 03:29 PM (oifEm)

5 White Papers, Studies, Official Government Reports, Empirical Information Statement on Sex Offender Residency Restrictions in Iowa February 14, 2006 Iowa County Attorneys Association 5 Pages; 108KB The Iowa County Attorneys Association believes that the 2,000 foot residency restriction for persons who have been convicted of sex offenses involving minors does not provide the protection that was originally intended and that the cost of enforcing the requirements and the unintended effects on families of offenders warrant replacing the restriction with more effective protective measures. www.iowa-icaa.com/ICAA%20STATEMENTS/Sex%20Offender%20Residency%20Statement%20Feb%2014%2006%20for%20website.pdf Twenty Findings of Research on Residential Restrictions for Sex Offenders and the Iowa Experience with Similar Policies 2006 Compilation of experts 1. Housing restrictions appear to be based largely on three myths that are repeatedly propagated by the media: 1) all sex offenders reoffend; 2) treatment does not work; and 3) the concept of 'stranger danger.' Research does not support these myths, but there is research to suggest that such policies may ultimately be counterproductive. Sex offender residence restrictions. A Report to the Florida Legislature, October 2005, Jill S. Levinson, Ph.D. 4. There is no demonstrated protective effect of the residency requirement that justifies the huge draining of scarce law enforcement resources in the effort to enforce the restriction. Iowa County Attorneys Association 10. The sex offender residency restriction was a very well intentioned effort to keep the children of our communities safe from sex offenders. It has, however, had unintended consequences that effectively decrease community safety. Iowa Coalition Against Sexual Assault 19. A significant number of offenders have married or have been reunited with their victims; and, in those cases, the residency restriction is imposed on the victims as well as the offenders. Iowa County Attorneys Association www.dc.state.ks.us/publications/sex-offender-housing-restrictions

Posted by: Linda at October 30, 2007 03:31 PM (BcHsU)

6 Indeed, the perception that all sex offenders re-offend is out there. I have also heard reported (as you can see by my comments) that treatment doesn't work (short of castration or the like). I've never bought into the concept that strangers are the worst offenders. I've always thought the concept of telling kids to beware of strangers just creates a horrible world and society. These are great links and reports, thank you for sending them along. I know some of the people from Jessica's Law stop by and read here now and then, I'd love to hear their reactions to some of these.

Posted by: Ogre at October 30, 2007 03:35 PM (oifEm)

7 Banishment or Facilitated Reentry: A Human Rights Perspective November 17, 2005 Corinne A. Carey, Esq., Human Rights Watch, ATSA Conference 31 Pages; 181KB The consequences of violating privacy rights: • Employment; • Housing; • Family integrity; • Human dignity. What are we doing wrong? Registration and community notification laws sweep far too broadly. • Result: Far too many people are subject to stigma and restrictions; resources and attention are unfocused. By labeling a person a 'sex offender,' the state justifies denying that person fundamental human rights. • Result: 'Sex offenders; are alienated, have little investment in the responsibilities that accompany human rights; there is a strong disincentive to register as a 'sex offender.' Registration and community notification laws sweep far too broadly. • Result: Far too many people are subject to stigma and restrictions; resources and attention are unfocused. By labeling a person a 'sex offender,' the state justifies denying that person fundamental human rights. • Result: 'Sex offenders' are alienated, have little investment in the responsibilities that accompany human rights; there is a strong disincentive to register as a 'sex offender.' www.soclear.org/MultiMedia/Documents/CorrineCarey-SLC_ATSA-1.pdf www.soclear.org/MultiMedia/Documents/CorrineCarey-SLC_ATSA-1.ppt (PowerPoint 30 slides)

Posted by: Linda at October 30, 2007 03:41 PM (BcHsU)

8 I agree with those conclusions -- but if an adult sexually attacks a child under age 10, they SHOULD be stigmatized. They should be denied fundamental human rights. Hell, they should almost be put to death, in my opinion. Again, I think the definition of a "sex offender" is way too broad currently.

Posted by: Ogre at October 30, 2007 03:45 PM (oifEm)

9 I'm searching for more on treatment. lol Great question. States Aim To Stop Sex Offenders: Will New laws Keep Children Safe? Fall/Winter 2006 Lori Robertson - The Children's Beat 4 Pages; 907KB Nancy Sabin is the Executive Director of the Jacob Wetterling Foundation, an organization founded by the parents of Minnesota boy who was kidnapped when he was 11 years old and has never been found. 'Jacob's Law.' a 1997 federal act mandating greater registration requirements for sex offenders, is among the foundation's legislative accomplishments. But Sabin criticizes the narrow focus of the recent spat of laws. 'If your charged and convicted, that represents 10% of the (sex) crimes,' She say's explaining that the largest groups of offenders are those who are unknown (graph below) or uncharged. So, the question she has: Why are all the resources targeting this tiny group? When you factor in the small percentage of that group that will reoffend, the focus becomes even narrower, she say's. Sabin would like to see more dollars spent on education and awareness programs, treatment and transition into society. 'What I'm saying, is we're not turning the water off at the faucet,' Sabin says. 'How quickly are we going to reduce the problem?'

Posted by: Linda at October 30, 2007 03:51 PM (BcHsU)

10 "Are Sex Offenders Treatable? A Research Overview Linda S. Grossman, Ph.D. Brian Martis, M.D. Christopher G. Fichtner, M.D. Few issues in the mental health field are capable of stirring more controversy than the psychiatric treatment of sex offenders. Recent legislation in a growing number of states providing for civil commitment and preventive detention of sexually violent persons (1,2) has fueled long-standing debates on the diagnosis of paraphilias, the nature of mental illness, and the treatability of sex offenders (3). Objective: This file is way too big for here. but if you go to http://sosen.us/ join their National and look at their file section under "Reports and Studies," you will find much valuable research and emperical data

Posted by: Linda at October 30, 2007 04:01 PM (BcHsU)

11 This is very interesting The Influence of Sex Offender Registration and Notification Laws in the United States October, 2005 Arkansas Crime Information Center: Jeffery T. Walker, PhD, Sean Maddan, Bob E. Vásquez, Amy C. VanHouten, Gwen Ervin-McLarty 19 Pages; 53.5KB The key finding of this research is that the passage of sex offender registration and notification laws have had no systematic influence on the number of rapes committed in these states as a whole. Most of the states in our sample (five of ten) showed no significant differences (increase or decrease) in the average number of rapes committed before and after the sex offender laws... These findings beg the question of what is occurring concerning the relationship between sex offender registration and notification and subsequent sex offending. It is possible, as Sample’s (2001) research indicated, that this was knee jerk legislation based simply on keeping the constituency happy. If that is true, sex offender registration and notification laws are failed legislation... he rationale behind sex offender laws would assume that a majority of the offenses committed within the confines of any year would actually be sex offenders who are re-offending. A potential alternative assumption is that in those states with increases (roughly half of the states examined here), it would be expected that these offenders would be first time offenders or offenders who have never been caught before. This is supported by Walker and McLarty (2000) who found that 73% of sex offenders in their study committed a sex offense as their first offense. If this is the case, it would be expected that sex offender registration and notification is not able to control this population because a substantial number of them are committing sex offenses as their first offense. Hence, there is no name on the register and no way to inform the community... www.acic.org/statistics/Research/SO_Report_Final.pdf

Posted by: Linda at October 30, 2007 04:06 PM (BcHsU)

12 Societal Myths about Sex Offending and Consequences for Prevention of Offending Behavior Against Children and Women James Krivacska, assisted by James Free, Richard Gibb and Drew Kinnear Ultimately, society's interests are not served by preservation of myths about sex offending behavior. Especially in these times, when it appears that incidence of sex offending behavior is increasing despite the heightened punishments that are being put into place, society needs to understand how sex offending behavior develops and what it can do to prevent offending behavior. Community/Internet notification represents after-the-fact prevention. As noted in the outset of this article, society needs to begin addressing prevention before the fact, since most offenses are committed by first time offenders. In fact, between 10% to 20% of male community samples (e.g., university students, hospital staff, etc.) admit to sexual offending (Hanson & Scott, 1995; Lisak & Roth, 1988; Templeman & Stinnett, 1991). As part of the recovery effort and treatment program at ADTC, and as part of a personal commitment to "No More Victims," many inmates at ADTC have spent considerable time and energy exploring the nature of the offending behavior in which they engage. The ultimate challenge to a society which wants to protect its citizens, young and old alike, from sex offending behavior is to look realistically at the problem and to recognize that a potential sex offender may be living in their community, working in their business, residing even in their homes. They most also recognize that dynamics are currently in place in contemporary society to foster the growth of the next generation of sexual offenders among their own children. Society's ability to effectively and proactively prevent sexual offending behavior in the future may be directly related to its willingness to abandon the pursuit of interventions based on the myths which hithertofore have remained impervious to rational challenge and revision. www.ipt-forensics.com/journal/volume11/j11_1_2.htm

Posted by: Linda at October 30, 2007 04:10 PM (BcHsU)

13 Thanks for all this information and links. I've got some reading to do!

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Well, it's coming back again. Folks, we ARE going to have socialized medicine. It doesn't matter that it doesn't work. It doesn't matter that it will hurt and kill people, just like socialism does every single place on the planet it's ever been tried. You see, socialism works for two reasons: because it's for the "greater good" (even if it kills some people, others will be better off) and because, at least in America, there's many good people.

You see, there's a lot of people in America still left that just won't give up. There's a lot of people who still see the value in hard work, so they're going to work hard, no matter what. There's people who, even if the income tax rises to 75%, are still going to work hard. Of course, that number continues to shrink as more people find out that if they don't work, government will provide, well, everything for them.

But there's still that mass of people who just ignore government, ignore politics, and continue working. There's the mass that doesn't realize that 20-50% of their earnings are being taken from them -- they just don't care because they're going to work hard. As long as there is this mass, socialism and socialist medicine will continue to expand, and will continue to work in America.

Of course, once more students from public schools graduate -- who have not been taught that hard work is good -- and more people retire and simply give up -- it will be harder to sustain the socialist system. The next generation is in serious trouble -- but no one cares about them. And after all, socialized medicine will "help" some people.

So socialism continues. Socialist medicine (SCHIP) will be implemented. And good people will continue to work hard -- at least as long as they can. And freedom will continue to decline until it just simply doesn't exist -- but you won't know, because you'll be working too hard.

Raven has more gory details.

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Hey look, more children have been sacrificed by the homosexual lobby. These people do not care who gets hurt or damaged as they reach towards their goal of absolute and total approval of their lifestyle. Any hint of criticism of any homosexual act will be met with destruction.

In this case, an untold number of children who need help, who need foster homes, will now not be allowed a kind, loving home. Some unknown number of children will instead live without a family because of the homosexual agenda. And it's not because someone decided they wanted to say homosexuals were wrong. They didn't even want to say that homosexuals were bad. What did this couple do that was SO EVIL that they're now unfit to be foster parents?

They refused to teach their children that homosexuality was normal, acceptable, and they approved of it. That's the situation in England now. If you do not ACTIVELY PROMOTE and open approve of men putting their **** in another man's ****, then you are an unfit parent.

I only wonder how long it will be before people are jailed simply for NOT speaking "Gay is great."

This is not about acceptance or approval. In case you missed it, these people, and dozens of children, are being punished because they refused to stand up and tell 11-year old children that homosexuality is good. They didn't even have the option to teach nothing -- they are not permitted to remain silent. They HAD to explain to 11 year old children that putting your **** in another man's **** was a good thing.

Wow. What a completely and totally screwed up country. But don't worry, I'm sure we're close to that here in America. Anyone want to start a country with me where people have freedom to have religious beliefs and rights to say whatever they believe?

(H/T to Raven).

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Having kids is supposed to change your life.

Read about them more at Team Hoyt. Wow.

And they did it without government.

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From this site (the first question):

When the patient saw my name, he refused to be examined by a Muslim doctor. I couldnÂ’t reach his primary physician, and the other physician on call was also Muslim. A physician assistant offered to complete the evaluation, but as the patient was in no immediate danger, I did not allow this. Instead I discharged the patient without a full evaluation. Was I right?

Actually, this is happening a lot more today -- except in reverse. More and more Muslims around the world (especially in England) are demanding they are served by Muslims and Muslims alone. And no one seems to condemn nor care about that when Muslims do it, but if a non-Muslim refuses treatment by a Muslim, suddenly it's "religious bigotry."

But wait -- shouldn't we have freedom of association? Shouldn't we actually be free to be examined by a person who shares our morals and values? What if, during the examination, the Muslim doctor decided that you were an "infidel" and needed to convert to Islam or die? What if you accidentally said "Mohammed" in the wrong way and the Muslim doctor decided he needed to punish you for saying that and he cut your head off? These are not irrational thoughts to those who are radical Muslims. My question is: how do you determine which are the radicals and which are not?

If you can't tell which ones are the radicals and the non-radicals don't speak up, your only safe choice is to assume that any Muslim you're talking to IS a radical. And therefore, it's certainly logical to not want to want a medical exam from a Muslim who may or may not be a radical who will kill you for his religion if you say or do the wrong thing (in their eyes).

(H/T for the story to Raven).

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North Korea agreed to provide a "complete and correct declaration" of its nuclear programs and will disable its facilities at its main reactor complex by Dec. 31 under an agreement reached by North Korea and five other countries released Wednesday.

...will disable its facilities at its main reactor

The disablement of the five megawatt experimental reactor at Yongbyon, the reprocessing plant at Yongbyon and the nuclear fuel rod fabrication facility at Yongbyon will be completed

North Korea is required to disable its sole functioning reactor at Yongbyon in exchange for economic aid and political concessions

Are there people who actually believe that the lunatic who rules North Korea with an iron fist (not unlike Democrats in North Carolina) would actually surrender all his nuclear material? Are there people who think he really will just hand over his nuclear bombs to America for cash? I don't. Sure, this is a nice start, but I don't trust this fellow as far as I can throw him.

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Did you know that food can get you jailed? I only wish I were kidding. No, today's politically correct society now has devolved to the point where you can absolutely be jailed if you THINK politically incorrect. And I'm not talking left-wing wacko Bill Maher "politically incorrect" -- which is actually VERY politically correct. I'm talking first-amendment freedom of speech politically incorrect.

Two incidents this week that I'm aware of that should be absolutely disgusting to anyone who actually likes freedom. And no, I'm not holding my breath for that communist bastion of protectors of free speech that only they like, the ACLU, to join in and attempt to defend this freedom of speech.

The first is in so far left they wouldn't know freedom if it spanked them on their gay rear-ends California -- San Mateo, specifically. Are you ready for this great use of your tax dollars to openly oppress freedom of speech? How about this quote:

Chief Deputy District Attorney Steve Wagstaffe says, “We definitely think this is a hate crime,” he said. “This one is pretty offensive.”

Pacifica police reported finding asparagus in AdlerÂ’s purse at the time of arrest.

But Tiffany Adler is likely going to have to go to jail. Why? Because she dared to speak a word and she was carrying asparagus. The word? Well, I'm sure not if I'm allowed to type the word. I mean, people in San Mateo may read this post and get offended and send the police to search my house and blog for vegetables as well. In fact, the San Mateo Daily Journal actually went and printed the offensive word. Someone call the police and have the editor arrested!

Worse, to show how far this absolutely insane crushing of freedom has gone, the people who were offended are claiming they are gay -- without any proof. And the assailant claims she didn't know they were gay. So that's justice today -- zero proof is required for any claims. The police are allowed to read the minds of any offender they don't like; and they're allowed to accept "sexual orientation" with zero evidence. That's not justice, that's open Nazism with protected, superior, individuals and speech codes. In this travesty of justice system, there is literally no chance of defense against a so-called "hate-crime" -- you are automatically guilty -- it's literally impossible to provide any defense against these sorts of punishments. That shouldn't happen in America.

Second is the food that's even more dangerous than the evil asparagus -- the HAM SANDWICH! Yes, folks, the most offensive food in the world still roams free without and licensing or registration requirements. I'm not sure how this evil piece of meat has been allowed to continue to fester and attack people around this country. Democrats on Capital Hill are likely preparing ham bans as you read this.

This event happened in Lewiston, Maine -- and it's much worse than the San Mateo "asparagus attack." According to published police reports, an unattended ham sandwich was found at Lewiston Middle School. Oh, the horror! Lewiston has requested hundreds of grief counselors to calm their students. The school district is evaluating it's potential liability exposure to lawsuits from those who might have been offended by the unattended sandwich.

However, exposure was limited by a quick-thinking student because the sandwich was in a bag. A student was suspended for leaving the sandwich unattended. And to ensure that no other sandwiches ever are left unattended for a period of more than a few seconds, "The center for the Prevention of Hate Violence is working with the school to devise a response plan."

Again, I only WISH I were making this up. Your tax dollars REALLY are being spend to devise a "response plan" for when students might leave a sandwich unattended on a table while they go to the trash or to get another helping of government cheese. And yes, this is "being investigated as a hate crime."

Remember this if you have an unattended sandwich in your kitchen -- you may be committing a hate crime, even if you are unaware of it. My advice to you, especially if you happen to live in Maine -- do not leave your sandwich unattended for even one second -- you literally might go to jail for it.

Welcome to America, 2007. We had freedom once. You'll have quite the hard time convincing me of that now.

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1 I guess it's an argument for the raising of taxes... to put all us hate crimers behind bars... that sucks, my friend. Not you, the facts behind the post.

Posted by: Steph at April 20, 2007 02:51 PM (AC9Dc)

2 It's about controlling thought. Unless you are part of government, you MUST obey them at all time because you're dumb. Otherwise you go to jail. That's today's government, despite what might be in that old, outdated thing called the "Constitution."

Posted by: Ogre at April 20, 2007 02:54 PM (oifEm)

3 So, Ogre, what was "the word" in San Mateo?

Posted by: Smokey at April 20, 2007 04:08 PM (USJxE)

4 Somebody didn't follow the link... It's the new forbidden "f-word." And no, not the four-letter one. The cord of wood one.

Posted by: Ogre at April 20, 2007 04:27 PM (oifEm)

5 Or cigarette...

Posted by: Ogre at April 20, 2007 04:27 PM (oifEm)

6 I would have left a rib sammich, for sure. I'm moving to Maine now...and I'm gonna barbecue the ribs in front of a mosque- which will just somehow be across the street from where I live. And from time to time I will grille some chops too...think I'll end up in jail for a hate crime? You bet I will. Just for cooking mt favorite foods.

Posted by: Raven at April 20, 2007 07:41 PM (yzv6T)

7 I wouldn't leave any food -- I'd EAT the darn stuff! And yes, grilling the incorrect food IS a hate crime in Maine today.

Posted by: Ogre at April 22, 2007 11:57 PM (kRDOE)

8 I think the problem was that Adler threw the asparagus and hit her target. Assault & battery is pretty much a crime everywhere. But I'll agree that classifying it specifically as a "hate crime" is stupid.

Posted by: Harvey at April 27, 2007 01:45 PM (L7a63)

9 I'm not sure she actually hit. The report says, "Threw at..." I dunno though.

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Every now and then, someone public stands up for their beliefs. Today, that person is almost never a member of government -- unfortunately. When the PC crowd comes calling, most government, institutions, and businesses cave in right away. The cry of "intolerance" usually brings most institutions to their knees. But not Bob Jones University.

A group of gays came to this private institution and wanted to force those people to agree with them. They wanted "dialogue" to force the people there to be intolerant of themselves. As usual, the gay agenda includes not allowing anyone to disagree with you.

Most of the time, institutions cave when these people come calling because they're simply afraid of being called "homophobic" -- a made-up word that really doesn't have any more meaning than calling gays "heterophobic." But usually an institution can be counted on to give in rather than "suffer" bad press, etc. Instead, Bob Jones University stood on their own principles:

As Bible-believing Christians, our faith and practice is based on Scripture which speaks consistently on the subject of sexual expression in many passages through both the Old and New Testaments. Therefore, Soulforce's ultimate disagreement is not with BJU or any other institution that holds to the Scriptural position, but with Scripture itself.

We can't grant open forums and discussions to a group whose expressed purpose is to undermine the clear teachings of Jesus Christ.

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Total Kaos, the folks who brought you Guilt Offsets, now have provided you the Future of Global Warming -- and the Internal Combustion Service -- the future if you leave Democrats and lefists in charge of Global Warming and government.

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A large group the United Coalition of Enemies Against America will gather in front of Dallas City hall. If you're an American, please do attend this rally and watch and record what goes on here. It would be quite interesting to see how these enemies of America work together to attempt to destroy this country.

Oh, and the enemies are gathering "to support illegal immigration" and to "register voters." I would really love to be there to observe exactly who is signed up to register to vote and how they're encourage to sign the voter registrations.

Which enemies of America will be there this time? The Dallas Peace Center. I don't know that group personally, but likely they're like the other "peace" groups -- dedicated to the total destruction of America in every possible way. They cry "peace," but they mean "total socialism without any country having any borders, citizens, or personal ownership of anything." They despise everything American.

CAIR will be there, one of the biggest enemies of America. I find it very interesting that this group with known ties to terrorism is working with others to attempt to destroy what used to be the southern border to this country. Their presence alone should help people realize that the border enforcement is not just about stopping illegal alien invaders, it's about stopping terrorists. CAIR doesn't like it when you stop them from allowing any terrorist over the border.

And no meeting of American enemies would be complete without the ACLU. Of course, they're protesting that America has any borders, because they believe that everyone should have anything they want as long as no one owns anything ever. Don't forget, the ideals of the ACLU and everything they do is based on attaining one goal: communism in America.

So if you can drop by Dallas City hall on April 1 (not likely, because most productive Americans will have to work and produce to support the lazy bastards who will be protesting), please stop by, take some pictures, and observe.

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Hang Right Politics has the story (as does Fox News) about the Fetus that lived. Now Fox News reports just the facts: that the baby was just 22 weeks old, and that that baby survived and had some health problems as it was premature.

However, Right Politics goes into a little more detail and analysis: How Amillia Taylor, according to nationalized abortion laws, is actually little more than a clumb of cells, or a fetus. I'm not quite sure if it's actually illegal for a doctor to now, today, suck this child's brains out. Because, after all, this fetus hasn't gone the official, legal, 38-40 weeks of gestation, so she's apparently eligible for aborting under the law.

Can we finally NOW change the laws? Can we invalidate Roe v. Wade, now realizing that the decision was based on faulty science? Can we finally legally recognize that these are living, breathing humans that are being killed? We certainly should.

(H/T to Cathouse Chat (which is not as dirty as it sounds)).

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The gay lobby again rears it's ugly head in STRONG opposition to people having any freedom. This time, they're opposed to gay people being allowed the freedom to no longer be gay. Seriously. Once you're in their "gay club," you are NOT allowed to leave, ever.

A person wanted to talk to gay people. These gay people wanted to attend and listen to this person of their own free will. No one was forced to go anywhere. It just so happened that this person wanted to talk to the gay people (who were attending of their own free will) about overcoming homosexuality. The gay lobby simply could not stand for that sort of freedom of speech. So they protested the freedom.

Once again, understand the purpose of the gay movement today. It is NOT to allow gays to be gay. Instead, it is to force everyone else to not only accept them and being gay, but to offer full, complete, and unconditional approval of their lifestyle. If you, even just in your heart, having any feeling that gay is wrong, then you are strongly opposed by today's gay lobby. They don't want permission, they want total approval -- and that requires the destruction of freedom of speech. But they don't care.

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Absolutely incredible. You are an innocent, law-abiding citizen. You're minding your own business. You're not breaking any laws and you're not disturbing anyone. Then, some government bureaucrat decides to tell you to be somewhere at 10am on Tuesday. No, it's not even to investigate wrongdoing. It's not as a witness to a crime. In fact, no crime has been committed.

In addition, the bureaucrat is not from the executive branch, nor are they associated in any way with law enforcement. They have nothing to do with taxes (other than living off yours). They have absolutely no force of law behind their request at all.

You, being rather busy doing something like working to earn enough to pay that bureaucrat's bloated salary, decide that you cannot get the time off from work and so you choose not to follow the bureaucrat's "request" to meet them on their terms at the time of their demanding.

In a free country, that would be the end of the story. However, the United States is not a free country. Instead, in Texas, if you DARE to refuse a non law-enforcement bureaucrat, they want to make that a misdemeanor crime that will cost you $500 and possible jail time.

Now go ahead and read the story and claim "it's for the children." That's crap. It's damn wrong, no matter how you frame it. To give unelected bureaucrats the power over people's lives like that is completely and totally wrong. If you want to hold parents responsible for their children, kick the children out of the school.

Of course, that will NEVER happen because schools don't do that at ALL any more. Short of committing a murder on school property, no child is ever removed from a public school. Heck, Charlotte openly welcomes convicted sex offenders into the classroom so others can experience diversity.

Some days I really wonder if there is any hope for freedom left anywhere on this planet.

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It seems my recent post describing the facts about the Discount-Mats web site has attracted a couple new commenters. One is someone posting as "Dale." Dale says that he is "A US Troop." He says:

My office gets a kick out of reading (well I read, they laugh) your blogs. It's amazing what the internet has done for those with little backgound knowledge and wisdom.

This is why I fight bad guys on the web everyday, so folks like you can take up vaulable IP's...until we go to IPV6.

Good luck with your crusade against the dems, muslims and others you hate. Remember they can take your guns when they pry them from your cold dead fingers (At least I think that's what your bumper sticker on your f-150 says)

He claims that his office laughs while reading my "blogs [sic]." Now in that comment, he's not quite clear which posts he's talking about. For now, I'm going to assume he's a normal, sane, rational person -- in which case he's laughing at the llama joke and the AR Surgeon joke. Well that's good Dale, that's why I posted them, so that people would laugh. I'm glad to have not only lightened your day, but that of your whole office. Thanks for letting me know, really!

Next, Dale says that he fights bad guys on the web so I can have an IP. I'm going to assume, then, that Dale is a member of the mysterious "Men in Black Polka-Dots" -- a sooper-seekret shadow group that uses the internet to shock "bad" people and who protect and free IP addresses for The People. Excellent. Thank you, Dale, for putting the health of your fingers and wrists on the line every day so I can have one of the precious few 4 billion IP addresses available. -- well, at least until IPv6 when, apparently, Dale won't be needed to fight the "bad guys" on the web any more.

Next, he wishes me luck in my battle against evil. Why, thank you again, Dale! I wish you luck in your daily cyberbattles against "bad guys" on the web, too. Perhaps one day we will both be successful -- you get rid of the "bad guys" on the web and I'll try to get the freedom-haters out of America. It sure would be a nice place here, wouldn't it?

Then Dale goes all loopy on me. I really don't know what he's trying to say with

Remember they can take your guns when they pry them from your cold dead fingers (At least I think that's what your bumper sticker on your f-150 says)

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1 I would never put a bumper sticker on my truck. It couldn't have been mine.

Posted by: Tomslick at January 31, 2007 07:19 PM (J+YUU)

2 Wow, my post has earned it's own private little section...I'm all giddy inside. I tried to water down the computer "talk" for you so that you might grasp what I was saying...see IP's are NOT like the Never Ending Bread Sticks® at Olive Garden, but I wander, let's get back to the wonderful blog you have so graced us with. Yes, we do in fact laugh at your blogs, although I wish we had more time to scan through your blogs and uncover some deep dark secrets of eternal wisdom...alas, we don't have the time. So instead we (I) focus on your cute little blog about discount-mats.com. Not so much as in to read what "dope" words of wisdom you wish provide, but to get a generally good laugh out of your stereotypes, misinformation and lack of knowledge. As far as the F-150, yes it is a good truck and infact you can haul lots of good ole' stuff with it. You can carry tools to the farm, tow your Jimmy John Bass boat to the lake. Move your house form one lot to the other. Why hell, there are plenty of things the F150 is good for...why did I even associate the F150 with you? I'm sorry Ford. Now I shall get back to protecting the free internet from bad guys and terrorists...you may now blog, secure in the fact that I (Dale) have your E-back.

Posted by: Dale at January 31, 2007 07:49 PM (G7Dx2)

3 I always find it interesting when people argue with me while they're agreeing. I specifically mentioned the actual limit of IPs, but you complain that I agree that IPs are limited. That's a pure example of someone who wants to argue just to argue, never mind the facts. Thanks for pointing that out to my readers. You apologize to Ford for having a good truck? Again, arguing just to argue, rather than based on reality. Sorry you don't like reality. And thanks again for protecting the internet. I'm sure that if you were not on the job, the entire internet would go down. Are you related to algore, by chance?

Posted by: Ogre at January 31, 2007 09:05 PM (oifEm)

4 why ogre, i think you have an admirer... though it looks like he doesn't have the stones to actually post a link to his own site... as for the ip addresses, yeah they are limited... thats why i bought 50 of them... that way i can sell em at auction when they get scarce... and as for the truck... i think he's trying to imply some sort of redneck connections there... which he would clearly see was inaccurate if you'd just back your truck off the hood of his priius and call off your huntin dawgs /sarcasm off

Posted by: chris at January 31, 2007 09:23 PM (rBjHa)

5 I don't know if I would haul a house (even a trailer house) with an F-150....maybe, MAYBE a single wide but not too far.....

Posted by: kender at January 31, 2007 10:29 PM (PkJ5o)

6 Hey! Is this guy dissing F-150's?????? Name the place and time fellow, nobody disses the F-150, nobody!

Posted by: Quality Weenie at January 31, 2007 10:32 PM (BksWB)

7 I'm not sure, but I think he's trying to say all hundreds of millions of F-150 owners are stupid. I could be wrong. And Chris, be careful! This Dale may come and take your IPs back if he thinks that you're a terrorist who took them and that other people should have them.

Posted by: Ogre at January 31, 2007 10:56 PM (pHUVv)

8 Oh, and Kender? I agree. If you're going to be hauling houses, I'd jump right to the 350 myself.

Posted by: Ogre at January 31, 2007 10:56 PM (pHUVv)

9 well if "Dale" does come for my IPs he better bring Chip along, cus I've got some mighty big nuts for em

Posted by: chris at January 31, 2007 11:00 PM (rBjHa)

10 Dale? Do you like nuts?

Posted by: Ogre at January 31, 2007 11:37 PM (pHUVv)

11 I got one for Dale!! I'm a five foot four inch girl who drives an F350 extended cab pickup with a Power Stroke. I aspire to be as smart and witty as Dale. Um Dale, if that is your real name, don't you know better than to pick on Ogres? You are probably a llama aren't you?

Posted by: Oddybobo at February 01, 2007 02:01 PM (mZfwW)

12 It would seem reading comp evades most of you. At what point did I "diss" the F-150? It's not my cup of tea, If I were to own a pickup truck it would be a S/C Ford Lightning with a 10psi pulley, 4:10's and 75 shot of juicy juice rolling on 18x10 Roto slipstreams. (wanna talk cars) My website? I don't have a website, thus no link to website, see how that works. Does MySpace count as a website? You do upload HTML, so I guess that would sort of count as a website. DalesGSXR is my MY SPACE dot COM address. Feel free to stop by and say hi. I don't get the LLAMA reference ODDYBOBO, like I said I only check out the Discount-mats thread and this one because it is about me and I love things about me. I'm so glad you are 5'4" Girl that drives an F350. Is that something to brag about are you just stating you list of vehicles in your garage....if so...I'm 5'11 and I drive a 01 C5, it's not much for hauling or "goin muddin" but it goes really fast. I could mention my "sport Bike", but again you can't haul anything in that, although it does have a nice little storage space in the tail section that you could put a can of Red Bull or maybe 1 pound of un-cut colombian gold. (it would be your choice) Enough playing "What's in my Garage".... Ogre, I'll agree with you when you are right, otherwise I will continue to argue for the sake of arguing. So far you have been right about the F-150 and IP's, I guess sub-nets will be next. Good luck today, I hear through the Gr apevine that Vista has a "big Brother" feature, maybe you should blog about that too. It may be connected to the Muslim terrorists that are plotting to overthrow the US and take over the world...I'm already picking out my prayer mat and looking east!

Posted by: Dale at February 01, 2007 02:58 PM (G7Dx2)

13 Good thing you're willing to submit to the terrorists, Dale, that will make you their friend. Me, I'm sorry, but I would rather be free. My garage is mostly full of tools and crap.

Posted by: Ogre at February 01, 2007 03:53 PM (pHUVv)

14 Of course you didn't get the llama reference Dale. Oh, and Dale if you want a list of things in my garage, we need a week. Several vehicles, two quads, some sled-ridding equipment, tools, things that go boom! (Fireworks) and probably things left over from a garage sale. Now that the personal stuff is out of the way, I'm bored with you.

Posted by: Oddybobo at February 01, 2007 06:16 PM (mZfwW)

15 I bet Oddy's garage is mined, too.

Posted by: Ogre at February 01, 2007 07:15 PM (pHUVv)

16 "My website? I don't have a website" Perhaps that explains why Mr. Dale Web-Savvier-Than-Thou doesn't know the difference between a blog and an entry on a blog...

Posted by: McGehee at February 02, 2007 01:38 PM (lAOTn)

17 I guess he's too busy retrieving stolen IPs from terrorists.

Posted by: Ogre at February 02, 2007 01:58 PM (oifEm)

18 McGehee....your right. I wish I had the smarts to differentiate between Blogs and Blog enteries...thank you so much for your enlightenment. I feel whole now. You have an F350 and some quads...why does this not suprise me? I'll bet you have a sweet gun rack and a whole set of cammo uniforms....I'll even step out on a limb and says at one point you have bought cammo because you thought it looked cute. We could play who's got more stuff, but you would loose....and I would still be too cool for school. Wow..."I'm deap in the heart of them now oh lord" Anyone seen the movie Southern Comfort? I feel that I'm conversing with all the extras right now. When this page loads I swear I hear Dueling Banjos playing in the background. Drrr da Drrr drrr drr drr drr drr drrrrr!

Posted by: Dale at February 02, 2007 02:59 PM (G7Dx2)

19 So what are you trying to say, Dale?

Posted by: Ogre at February 02, 2007 03:55 PM (oifEm)

20 I do believe that Dale is trying to tell me that my Ivy League ass is a down south hillbilly. No offense of course to my dear friends from the south. Sorry to disappoint Dale. Me and my genius level I.Q. live in the Northern Wilds. Oh, and my Ivy League education and subsequent degree tell me that while engaging you further would be comical, it would also be fruitless. But to satisfy you, my F350, while looking mighty purty, hauls gear and quads to and from events. Often, it hauls several fireman and their children. Sometimes it even hauls dirt for my flower beds. I do not have a gun rack - I have a nice rack, but not a gun rack. And you did not just diss Dueling Banjos! Ogre, please tell me, was I wrong to think I look cute in cammo? Does this sidearm make me look fat? ;-)

Posted by: Oddybobo at February 02, 2007 06:28 PM (mZfwW)

21 I think the sidearm is very slimming, Oddy.

Posted by: Ogre at February 02, 2007 11:08 PM (pHUVv)

22 Ooh, now dis me, Dale. I own a Bronco and wear cowboy boots and a Stetson cowboy hat. And I even own a gun and am a life member of the NRA. Of course, I also have two college degrees and have read Capital by Karl Marx and Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand. True, I skipped John Galt's three-hour radio speech but that's only because there were no car chases.

Posted by: McGehee at February 03, 2007 12:42 PM (lAOTn)

23 Oh, and one more thing: Dale, Google "International Mensa." I don't belong anymore because the American organization endorsed Bill Clinton in 1992. Geniuses can be so stupid sometimes.

Posted by: McGehee at February 03, 2007 12:45 PM (lAOTn)

24 Ok....lets start from the start. Oddybobo- You haven't disappointed me, not in the slightest. I hadn't set any high expectations for you in the first place, so no let-down here. As far as the hauling and the pulling and the moving...hmmm well..."You go girl" Just in case you are wondering, you don't have to live down south to be a hillbilly...hell, I knew plenty of redneck/hillbillies while I did a stint at stratcom...and believe me, Omaha has very few hills. Also, why do you people read so much into replies, I don't think I "disssed" Dueling Banjos...hell I've been know to break out the Fender and throw down some ole' Cannonball Rag or classic Doc Watson, although I do it with all my teeth in place and NOT married to my thrid cousin. McGehee- Do you own a Bronco or a Bronco II...I ask because that will determine your level of "dis". You wear cowboy boots and a Stetson...so what do you want? If you are offering up fashion tips I'll pass, I like my look, but thanks anyway. You have a gun and are a Lifetime NRA memeber. Well aren't you the envy of everyone in Paradise Acres Trailer Lot and Pawn Shop (I'm guessing that's where you live, although I have no basis for this assumption I'll make it anyway). You have two (2) College degrees? You say this why, to impress me? The Bronco claim was more impressive than someone saying they have 2,4 or even 8 degrees...Hell the way they shuffle kids through college these days I would be suprised to find few people who have NO degree. I would GOOGLE "international Mensa" but right now I'm to busy using my search engine to find prices on used Ford Broncos. If you have one, so must I (it's the little kid in me). I'll let you know about Mensa thing right after I get done with my vehicle search. Ogre- Have you cleared out those damn Muslims yet? I swear my vette was running rich this weekend and zI'm sure it had to do with the terrorists, or maybe Chavez is putting something in the gas. Maybe we should invade them next, at least the weather would be better than Iraq.

Posted by: Dale at February 05, 2007 02:31 PM (G7Dx2)

25 Thanks for clearly illustrating your clear bias, hatred, and stupidity for all to see, Dale. Thanks for making my point for me.

Posted by: Ogre at February 05, 2007 02:37 PM (oifEm)

26 Show me the hate? You like to post things with no basis. I have hated on no one. I have stated my opinions on the ignorance of your readers/blogers...but I don't hate any of them. I pity those who don't know better, like you, but I still don't hate you.

Posted by: Dale at February 05, 2007 04:03 PM (G7Dx2)

27 Dale, do you know what we drivers of fullsize Broncos call those Bronco "II" things? Spares. I think I have one or two bolted to the undercarriage of my Bronco, in case of breakdown in a mall parking lot (wouldn't be any use off-road, but may be able to deal with speed bumps, if properly scouted beforehand). And I notice you didn't say anything about my having read both Marx and Rand. Were the authors' names too long for you?

Posted by: McGehee at February 05, 2007 06:03 PM (lAOTn)

28 Of course. It's only hate if you say it's hate. Please do provide us with your own personal dictionary written by Dale for the world. Let us all know how life is in DaleLand. We understand completely.

Posted by: Ogre at February 05, 2007 08:36 PM (oifEm)

29 McGehee- I agree, I wouldn't wish a Bronco II on my worst enemy or even Ogre. Those along with the replacing the 302 with the 281 in the Mustang are Fords biggest mistakes, that and the Mustang 4 cyl....not the 2.3T but the straight 4 banger. Marx and Rand????? Did any of those have pictures? If not it probably skipped my entry in my Book of the month club for dummies. (I'm still thumbing my way through Zen and the Art of Motorcycle maint.) Orge- I know you are but what am I...that's the only thing you seem to post....I want, by your meaning, not mine, where my hatered shows....I love most everyone, so more literal than others...I hate ignorance, racism and Hondas that think they are race cars (another car thing...I love cars...and motorcycles...check my My Space)

Posted by: Dale at February 05, 2007 09:37 PM (G7Dx2)

30 OOO, he has a MySpace page. Isn't that where adults prey upon teens? I digress . . . I didn't disappoint you because you had no expectations of me? Yet it is ok for you to heckle me or imply that I'm an ignorant fool because I read Ogre, a very good friend of mine? Dale, you are the ignorant fool. I have two advanced degrees, I am a volunteer fire fighter, I am a minority, I am a woman, I am independent, intelligent and also quite wealthy (on paper at least). I raise a family, I have a farm, I love my dog and I am not married to anyone who is remotely related to me, nor have I recently fallen off a turnip truck. I have worked hard my entire life and refuse to allow people like you to belittle my accomplishments in any way. You came here, to this fine blog and insulted its author and its readers. You came here with your inability to spell and your abnormal attachments to vehicles and you implied that we were less intelligent than you because of the views espoused here. Yet, you have no views of your own. You have not proven a point, nor even made a point. We have indulged your ignorance, well, because we could. I would consider a debate with you, but you have nothing to debate - except the relative value of a Honda motorcycle over some other brand. My personal favorite is Victory. I digress again . . . Ogre, since I'm the 30th commenter can I get a prize? I know *close comments* so we don't have to read anymore dale-drivel. Sorry, I couldn't resist engaging once again . . . Bad-Oddy.

Posted by: Oddybobo at February 05, 2007 10:05 PM (mZfwW)

31 Hehe Oddy. You know what happens when you feed the trolls...

Posted by: Ogre at February 05, 2007 10:21 PM (kft0e)

32 You Americans, your so nieve, we live in your counrty for free, laugh at you every day. while you work to support us while we pray. Keep working hard you Americans.

Posted by: Akbarjr at February 06, 2007 12:35 PM (tIyxL)

33 Thanks for copying and pasting that from another thread, Akbarjr, but we heard you being stupid the first time.

Posted by: Ogre at February 06, 2007 12:39 PM (oifEm)

34 Oddybobo- Yes I have a myspace, I'm not sure if it's the place adults use to prey on teens or people use to keep in contact with friends...you use it how you want and so will I. Let me get this straight, you're a minority, a woman and independent. You are wealthy (on paper), and you raise a family...did I cover everything? Well good for you, I'm sure that impresses you and about 2 other people. Your ablity to E-argue is horrid. I wasn't trying to make you look like a fool, sorry if you came off like one. You stated you owned a F350 and some 4-wheelers, I made an observation, true or not, you seem to have taken it to heart. As for my spelling, well as some of Orge's followers have stated "This is a blog" and like any good E-thug, once I get going I sometimes forget to proof read my work, with no edit function I may fat-finger a key now and then...sorry dear. My original arrival was to mock Ogres thread on discount-mats, I strolled (or Trolled) over here and noticed I had obtained my own little section. As I stated, I love to see things about me and couldn't resist joining in. I'm sorry if you are unable or willing to put up a fight to defend your posts or friend (orge), he is a racist and a hate monger. He hides his hate under a thin blanket of patriotism. Anyone with 1/3 a brain can see through his actions. I just noticed I was using HIM and HE, if Ogre is a chic I'm sorry. Ogre- Not once have you been able to put up a decent arguement for your actions or thoughts, you are what we ike to call in my line of work a "Copy and Paste" Guru. Unable to muster enough brainpower to create your own thoughts you reply on others and through the magic of the internet you...copy and paste... "your" opinions for all to see. Akbarjr- That was such a weak attempt to make Muslims look bad I won't even respond to who ever has this Alternate persona. (#1 rule in E-thugging is to create a trust first then start the E-fights...I guess that was a response, but that's as far as I will go.

Posted by: Dale at February 06, 2007 03:11 PM (G7Dx2)

35 Ogre?? You are a racist? You are sooo not getting pie! *rolls eyes* My "ability to E-argue is horrid" good thing they pay me the big bucks to argue in person. *snicker* Dale bores me, with his *lather, rinse, repeat* statements. That's what I get for feeding the trolls *picks up ball and goes to new court* - *make that real court . . . I've got a hearing at 3*

Posted by: Oddybobo at February 06, 2007 03:40 PM (mZfwW)

36 Oh, Oddy, you don't want to play in DaleLand? I'm sure it's a nice place to live...if you're Dale. But sorry, reality isn't invited.

Posted by: Ogre at February 06, 2007 03:56 PM (oifEm)

37 Oddybobo- If someone is paying you to argue you had best offer refunds. I agree, the "regulars" on this blog bore me, nothing you post has any value added. I shale move on to bigger pastures with less pasture pies. Orge- You should come to Daleland, it's a great place, we don't make desisions based on religion or race, we don't just "copy and paste" our thoughts and we all like a good cold Fat Tire before lunch. Have fun!

Posted by: Dale at February 06, 2007 04:46 PM (G7Dx2)

38 Opps I said Shale when I meant to type SHALL...sorry. Don't know if you can upload user HTML to your blog...if not sorry! That's me^

Posted by: Dale at February 06, 2007 04:52 PM (G7Dx2)

39 Guess not!

Posted by: Dale at February 06, 2007 04:53 PM (G7Dx2)

40 Opps, someone knows everything, Akbar is a christian Arab. Dale is so smart.

Posted by: Akbarjr at February 07, 2007 11:48 AM (Zwsx5)

41 Oh my GOODNESS, what IS this debate all about? Is it really a debate? In all earnesty, debating without a clear point in mind really is rather foolish. What is the point in mind here? Is it freedom and the debate over what entails freedom or is it truly an attempt at slaying your "opposition" because you disagree with his opinions... slaying him with... all kinds of generalised and stereo-typical terms? What a crazy contradiction. In reading these comments I've come to some thoughts, based partly on our current world situation and our desire for freedom. I'll fire away. Maybe I have no right to be here; I am not American but an Australian, however the whole discussion on freedom as well as the situation in Iraq is as much our country's situations as anyone else's. There are a lot of things that don't make sense to us here in the West as we watch the world's events. We have all lost people we love to senseless acts, however we are not alone. Unfortunately we must conclude that many of "them" have also for reasons they don't understand. I also watch the way we treat one another in our own countries, our intollerances for each other's point of views, our lack of curtesy (as partly shown by some of the comments I have read here) and then I see our bafflement over why "those" people seem to hate us so much. Wh ywould people respect others who can't even respect themselves let alone show respect for others? We take our anguish out on individuals with whom we've never been in contact before because they identify themselves with a particular religion we don't agree with. What happened to the basis of our "Christian" founding, or have we strayed so far? Or is it that we never had things in order in the first place? I can't help but hear the voice which has been resounding in my head louder and louder of late... the voice of Jesus who said "If they hated me, why do you expect them not to hate you? Is a servant greater than their master?" that is, a man who loved and gave his life for people... anyone of any religion can take that in. All I really can do is live a life I know is just and free of hate. In doing so it is not guaranteed I will not be hated, but at least I can be infectious with my earnesty to those who will respond. Let's not make "us" and "them" calls as this world situation gets worse... either internationally... or between ourselves. That's what I was thinking. I shall now dismount my soapbox.

Posted by: Meili at March 20, 2007 07:41 AM (RNiBn)

42 Meili, thanks for stopping by. The point was for me to attempt to determine what this commenter was trying to say to me. I was just trying to find out his point of view and to clarify what he had said to me. As for there not be an "us and them," as you pointed out -- Jesus said that any who follow him will be hated because of him. He didn't say to cave in and collapse to any religion.

Posted by: Ogre at March 20, 2007 08:48 AM (kft0e)

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