Check out Ron Paul. Think about making big news, even if you're not completely supporting him for election. Even if he doesn't win, but supporting him, you might get a few other candidates to pay attention to freedom.
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Speaking of "Bombs"... after reading your comment on Raven's blog about "Bath Bombs" I am most grateful you have never "designed any bath bombs" as I don't think they would be exactly relaxing and envigorating! LOL@ Ogre!
Posted by: HoosierArmyMom at November 13, 2007 12:26 PM (TzKlC)
Presidential Endorsements
Well it seems like everyone else is making endorsements, so I suppose I should make one as well.
I'm a registered Republican. I've been a Republican for as long as I can remember. I've run for election as a Republican. I helped get other Republicans elected. I'm even a life member of the Republican National Committee.
I like freedom more than any other aspect or issue in politics. I think abortion is murder. I'm pro-gun and vociferously pro-freedom. So what sort of candidate should I support?
Mitt Romney just got an endorsement from Moral Majority co-founder Paul Weyrich and conservative Bob Jones III. Romney supports same-sex marriage (sometimes). Romney supports government forcing people to buy health insurance. Romney's campaign is spending more money than they're taking in. Romney wants to increase the war in the Middle East and spend more money. Romney wants more immigrants in America (legal or illegal). Romney wants to spend more money on "education."
I'm not sure I agree with Mitt Romney on ANYTHING. And I'm not sure he supports freedom anywhere. But hey, if you like government and you like government getting bigger, more controlling, and spending more, it appears that Romney is your guy.
Rudy Giuliani just got an endorsement from Pat Robertson. Mr. Robertson loves Rudy because Rudy "is the best candidate to handle the War on Terror." Well, Rudy LOVES illegal immigrants, spending, abortion, and same-sex marriage. He hates guns. He wants to increase power and control of government. In fact, when asked to name a difference, ANY difference between his positions and those of Hillary Clinton in a recent debate, Rudy COULD NOT NAME ONE.
So hey, if you're a single-issue voter that thinks sending more troops to Iraq and Iran is the way to go, I would say that Rudy is your guy. But if you like freedom, you cannot possibly argue that Rudy supports freedom.
John McCain just got the endorsement of Sen. Sam Brownback, a former candidate for president. McCain wants a bigger, stronger military and wants to fight more terrorists in more places around the world. McCain despises freedom of speech. In fact, if McCain had his way, I would literally not even be able to post these words on the Internet. McCain wants government to control all insurance to ensure that everyone gets "fair" insurance. McCain thinks we should have no southern border at all and anyone who wants to get free stuff from the American government should be able to, even if they're not citizens.
If you're a big supporter of government regulation of speech, McCain is your man. Oh, and he's a war hero.
Johnny Thompson -- or whatever his name is. He was a Senator. And in a TV show. Yeah, that's about all he's got so far. So I guess if movie stars are your thing, Thompson's your guy.
Duncan Hunter is the first candidate to agree with me on immigration. He wants a damn fence. I'm with Hunter on abortion and a few other issues. I like a lot of what Hunter wants to do. In fact, there's not much I can actually disagree with Hunter on -- except he does think we should keep fighting in Iraq. He's got a few ideas that make federal government intrusive, but for the most part, he does support freedom and states rights.
Mike Huckabee is a destructive force. He's loved by some, but he really is a true big-government type. He might say the right things for some people, but he supports wacko ideas like a federal government ban on smoking everywhere. He wants enormous piles of new money to be spent on education. He wants to force people to be healthy, rather than "permit" them to be free to make bad choices. He is just outright dangerous to freedom, if you ask me.
Ron Paul, however, likes freedom. He has consistently voted for freedom for decades. He thinks that we've spent enough time and money in killing in Iraq and that we should just come home. I don't know if that idea will work, but I'm sure willing to give it a try. Paul is also anti-abortion. He's pro-gun. And he really, really supports freedom -- both socially and financially. He absolutely terrifies the establishment because he will get rid of those thousands of people who are becoming the richest in the country by living off government contracts. And Paul recently got the endorsement of over 38,000 citizens who all put up around $100 for him.
So, since my primary issue is freedom, I find that I simply will not be able to vote for Rudy, Mitt, Thompson, Huckabee, or McCain. That leaves me with a choice of Ron Paul or Duncan Hunter. Since I think Paul will do more to advance freedom, I'm going to throw my support (and my money) behind Ron Paul. I think he would be GREAT for freedom and WONDERFUL for this country. I think he would advance freedom and we'd have an economic boom the likes of which have never been seen (after the government employees actually find productive work).
But don't worry, hard-core big-government, pro-war Republicans -- I live in North Carolina and unlike some Democrats, I believe in playing by the rules -- so my vote won't make any difference as it will all be over long before our presidential primary (but I'm still sending campaign donations to Paul).
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Isn't it amazing how some Republicans want to spend and control like Democrats. I did a survey on 6 issues for each candidate and I matched perfectly with Duncan Hunter. But since he probably doesn't stand a chance of making it on the ballot, I'm probably not going to be able to vote for him. I still think Ron Paul is good, but I think a sudden pull out from Iraq will meet with disaster. I would like to see Iraq safe enough to help rebuild their infastructure and so they will stand a chance when we leave or withdrawl. But if we don't strengthen our borders, it won't matter where our troops are. And Homeland Insecurity is a JOKE! I have a feeling everything would get scrapped or reorg'd in Washington. when Ron Paul was through, big government and Homeland Security would probably be no more. :-)
Posted by: HoosierArmyMom at November 07, 2007 07:39 PM (eaqGd)
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I'm not thrilled with a quick withdraw from Iraq, but I'm not thrilled with spending years over there, either. Reading more about the founding documents, we're NOT SUPPOSED to be there in the first place. Jefferson and Washington both argued that we should simply not get entangled.
But that position aside, I agree with Paul on everything else. He really can make a change, a BIG change. I don't know how he will get past the political machinery in place to stop him, however.
Posted by: Ogre at November 07, 2007 07:46 PM (oifEm)
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Maybe "the People" will get their act together, grow a brain, and vote according to what they know in their heart is right, and not what some campaign ad tells them. It's time to kill the clones and the Zombies! I just wish people would go back to the Founding Fathers and what they had to say in documents like the Federalist Papers, etc.
Posted by: HoosierArmyMom at November 07, 2007 07:51 PM (eaqGd)
Posted by: Ogre at November 07, 2007 07:57 PM (oifEm)
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my biggest problem with paul is that he truly believes that if the US left the middle east alone, that they wouldnt attack us... and i cant believe that... the isolationist attitude is fine in a world where catapults are the biggest weapons... but in an age where small missiles can reach hundreds of miles and bigger ones can easily circle the globe, that kind of policy is dangerous, bordering on insane
Posted by: chris at November 08, 2007 01:40 AM (qz/By)
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I'm not sure that's true, either -- but know what? It's never been tried! We have been in the Middle East for decades! What would happen if we stopped? No one can possibly know. I'm willing to give it a shot and see what happens.
Posted by: Ogre at November 08, 2007 12:41 PM (oifEm)
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Wow! A blog on the right that is not censoring Ron Paul! Good for you Ogre. Ron Paul is honest and conservative despite what the fake conservatives say. Conservatives do not censor we welcome the free expression of ideas.
Posted by: DW at November 08, 2007 06:44 PM (hXOCH)
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The more I find out about Ron Paul, the more I find I really have no choice but to support him because I really DO like freedom! Thanks for stopping by!
Posted by: Ogre at November 08, 2007 06:50 PM (oifEm)
Ron Paul Fundraising
Wow. How is this not bigger news? Ron Paul, Republican candidate for president, just raised more money in one day than ANY OTHER REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE. He raised more than Rudy, Mitt, or Thompson. He raised more than Hunter, McCain, or Huckabee. And while the story is in a few news reports, it's really not showing up much.
Even more amazing is HOW he raised this money. He didn't have a big dinner in New York to gather lobbyists. He didn't charge $1000 a plate for corporate donations and soft money. He didn't invite Chinese businessmen to a downtown party. He didn't even wander to Hollywood and have a party. So what did Ron Paul do to raise all this money in one day? Absolutely nothing. And that's the real story there.
This money came from people. With over $3.8 million raised from 35,000 people, that's an average of just over $100 a person. A few people just got together and said, "Hey, let's all raise a pile of cash on one day." They told their friends. Eventually, around 35,000 people, completely on their own, without any help or organization from any campaign, just donated $3.8 million in 24 hours. That's just unreal.
No matter what you think about Ron Paul, this is really huge. NO other candidate can claim anything even close to these numbers with ZERO campaign coordination. You might think the Ron Paul Revolution is just a few college kids, but this event shows it's at least 35,000 people around the country who are willing to put their money where their mouth is (in just 24 hours). Ron Paul could win this thing.
Even more amazing, imagine if Paul won the Republican nomination. I think he'd cream any Democrat on the ticket. Think about it -- do you think many Republicans would cross over and vote for Hillary just because they think Paul's a nut? Sure, some might, but not huge numbers. And then Paul would pick up a lot of the Democrat vote because he'd get all the billions or so (according to the media) anti-war voters. I really think he'd win in a landslide.
Of course, he'd have to get past the Republican nomination, and there's a lot of Republicans vehemently opposed to him because of his position on the Iraq war (primarily). Also, those fat cats in Washington oppose him because he doesn't like giving away billions in taxpayer money to people, just because they want it. The establishment honestly hates him because he WILL upset the apple cart and stop billions flowing to private individuals and corporations.
So think about it -- if you like freedom, you should vote Paul. If you're anti-war, you should vote Paul. If you hate the rich and insider Washington deals, vote Paul. If you hate high taxes, vote Paul. If you support less government regulation, yes, vote Paul. If you are pro-gun, vote Paul. If you don't want government controlling insurance and want health care freedom, vote Paul. Heck, if you're anti-establishment, again, Paul is your man.
He's raised over $7 million from individuals with no soft money included since October 1st. That's more than just a few college kids who are supporting him. He could actually win this thing.
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As you know Ogre, my problem with Ron is the Iraq War stance. We are there, we are making a difference, we have run out Al Qaeda in Iraq for the most part, we are looking at Iran seeking to get nukes, we are looking at Pakistan going amok politically and the possibility their nukes could fall in the the hands of the Taliban... Holy Cow! Ron is such a little, whiney guy, how on earth can we trust him to deal with War, which we have, like it or not, when he is "Anti-War"? Just my question, since you seem to be more knowledgable on the subject. I for one do not want to leave Iraq vulnerable to their not so nice neighbors, and I really think we need someone who when he speaks, the World will listen and take him seriously in these times. I like everything Ron Paul stands for, except the War, and I think this War is going to make or break our nation and the world as we know it... so help me out here. Since I'm a very conservative, former Democrat with Libertarian leanings, I need help understanding all this! Also, do you think Ron Paul would get us out of the United Nations? I used to laugh at the John Birch billboards I'd see them... now I think he was dead on right! We just flip the tab for an organization that hates us and works against us.
Posted by: HoosierArmyMom at November 06, 2007 03:32 PM (eaqGd)
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First, I'm pretty sure we'd be out of the UN in a minute with Paul as president.
As for the war stance, I've got a two-part take on it. In general, I agree that going into Iraq was the right thing to do. I think we really are making a difference now. However, when you go back and read the founders documents and writings, they warned us NOT to interfere -- because we simply do not understand the other cultures. Do I think Iran will nuke us as soon as they can? No, I really don't. Will us withdrawing from Iraq cause a global war? I don't think so. The people in the middle east have been fighting one another for centuries -- I don't think the US can do ANYTHING to ever stop that.
Second -- I don't agree with any current candidate completely. I hate just about every stance Rudy has. I despise Mitt's forced insurance programs. I don't like Thompson's positions on abortion and government size. I don't like Huckabee's position on government regulation. In fact, the only candidate with whom I disagree the least is Paul -- I like every one of his ideas except the war (I think). So if we're supposed to support the candidate with whom with disagree the least, Paul is it.
I also think that every other candidate will just be more of the same we've been getting for the past 20 years or so. I think Paul would bring REAL change to America -- for the better.
Posted by: Ogre at November 06, 2007 04:02 PM (oifEm)
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I believe politics has changed so much since the 1950s. Today's politicians don't know what works and what doesn't. They are all wailing and flailing about with no clear direction. You could well be right, the whole system needs a shakedown and new thinking at the helm. I like the Fair Tax idea. I think Ron Paul is for that as well. This country needs to size down government, shut down the borders and keep up a strong defense.
Posted by: HoosierArmyMom at November 06, 2007 04:16 PM (eaqGd)
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I haven't seen any other candidate, from either party, campaigning on lower taxes and a reduction in government. And I think Paul's idea for the border is perfect: instead of just trying to build a wall, stop the government giveaways that are bringing people here for free stuff. Then, if people still want to come and just work (without getting free health care, housing, education, and food), they can come work.
Posted by: Ogre at November 06, 2007 04:18 PM (oifEm)
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I think the only thing that should be free to them is a screening when they come in to make sure they don't bring communicable diseases, just like they did on Ellis Island. I heard again this morning that Resistant TB is on the rise and spreading into more states. As for government givaways, I want to see the law changed that makes babies born here US Citizens automatically. A friend of mine working in Brownsville, TX a few years ago was telling me you could see pregnant women in labor crossing or wading across the Rio Grande to make sure their babies were born here... why... for the government checks. This was several years ago, and it was a scam then. I don't think citizenship should be easy, it should be earned.
If a baby has one parent who's a US Citizen, fine. If someone wants citizenship, learn English, the pledge, the Premble to the Constitution and so on. Earn it. I'm not sure we can do it without fences and secure check points, but you may have a point. I heard on the news this morning (on Fox) that wonderful Homeland Insecurity works so well they have let serveral "terrorists in over a certain period of time"!!! How messed up is that!
Posted by: HoosierArmyMom at November 06, 2007 06:25 PM (eaqGd)
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I'm telling you, you're on the same page as Ron Paul. He completely agrees that non-citizens who squirt out kids shouldn't get granted citizenship, nor should their children!
Posted by: Ogre at November 06, 2007 06:31 PM (oifEm)
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I'm going to have to consider him as I think he would be a strong reformist. Hillary wants to "reform things" but in a negative, big government, tax increases way. That woman scares me.
Posted by: HoosierArmyMom at November 06, 2007 06:40 PM (eaqGd)
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Hillary won't reform anything. She, like most politicians, just wants to spend more money. And no, she doesn't want to spend HER money, just yours. Keep in mind, this woman has never had a job in her life. She's never produced, well, anything. She has no concept of what the working world is about. None.
Posted by: Ogre at November 06, 2007 06:51 PM (oifEm)
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I guess she and Bill have never paid a mortgage either. Her house on Long Island is a $10K a month mortgage payment. The government decides to provide them with Secret Service Security for the rest of their lives, she builds the agents a guest house to live in and guess what the government is paying them for the shack? You guessed it, 10K!!! So the government is paying their mortgage, Bill's retirement, and the salaries for their security! They are both cons as far as I'm concerned.
Posted by: HoosierArmyMom at November 06, 2007 09:09 PM (eaqGd)
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seeing a lot of reports today of people that are "selling" merchandise to overseas customers for ron paul... if this is true, id say that he an hillary should both get investigated for illegal campaign financing...
Posted by: chris at November 06, 2007 11:10 PM (qz/By)
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I haven't seen those reports. The only way that's illegal is if the money from the sales goes to the campaign. I'd be very surprised if that's the case with Paul, as he is really running a grassroots campaign. I'm not sure his campaign sells much of anything for contributions.
Hillary, on the other hand, from reports I've read, gets millions from other countries in contributions.
Posted by: Ogre at November 06, 2007 11:58 PM (2WD8n)
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Don't forget, Ron Paul is the only candidate that takes the efforts to create a North American Union seriously. If the people pushing it get their way, no other issue will matter. An NAU bureaucracy would never end abortion, cut taxed, allow you to own a gun, limit immigration, or in any way limit government.
I wanna know next time an effort like yesterday is arranged. I wanna donate too, and maybe help him break his new record.
Posted by: Echo Zoe at November 07, 2007 01:01 AM (nIDjA)
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I'll be sure and spread the word to you, Echo -- there's already a couple more of these afoot.
Posted by: Ogre at November 07, 2007 03:13 AM (2WD8n)
Posted by: Ogre at November 07, 2007 03:19 AM (2WD8n)
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check out
http://politicaldiscontent.blogspot.com/2007/06/who-is-ron-paul.html
for "the other side of the story".
Posted by: Selfish __MEEEE__ at November 07, 2007 10:03 AM (y2s/z)
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Awesome link! I like Paul even more now! Yes, I really do agree with most of the positions listed on that page!
Posted by: Ogre at November 07, 2007 12:20 PM (oifEm)
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What I find interesting is how both parties and the MSM are really ignoring Dr. Paul campaign. Think there may a little fear that the "apple cart" will be turned over? Even Silky Pony mentioned the other day that American's are more divided than every before and not in a good "peaceful" way.
The biggest complaint I hear about Dr. Paul is his foreign policy. Well I got news for the beltline state department "wonks" -- When America Farts, the rest of the world inhales deeply. Maybe it is time instead of our country bending knee to these 3rd world $hitholes, it is time for them to return the favor.
We shall see.
Posted by: Wuptdo at November 07, 2007 03:18 PM (axYNA)
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Oh believe me, the establishment is absolutely terrified of Ron Paul! They are completely scared to death! Why? Because he will stop massive amounts of government handouts to people who are now dependent on the government giving them cash.
And I'm not talking about the poor on welfare, I'm talking about government contractors and government employees who are making more money than anyone who is actually productive in this country!
Good points on his foreign policy. The worst I've heard is people who complain the middle east will nuke us if we withdraw. Of course, that's never been tried, so we don't know that. In fact, as some of my good commenters have suggested, if we get out of the Middle East, they will likely be so focused on killing one another that we will be fine.
Posted by: Ogre at November 07, 2007 03:58 PM (oifEm)
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I'm really glad to hear you are also upset with the privatization of government services. No-bid contracts with White House cronies upsets me far more than the powerless people at the bottom of our economic ladder.
No country with nuclear weapons has ever been attacked. With the largest arsenal of nuclear weapons owned by the U.S. I doubt that anyone in the middle east would nuke us. Who would buy their oil?
Posted by: Selfish __MEEEE__ at November 08, 2007 07:58 AM (7ppVp)
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I went out and looked at your link Selfish_Meee.
It was all pretty interesting to see another take on Ron Paul. Up until reciently I thought he was a flake. I have changed my thinking.
On the Ron Paul quotes from the site you linked to, tell me, what is "untrue" in what he says?
Separation of Church and State came into being, I believe, in the late 1930s or somewhere in that time frame. It was not part of the Constitution, Bill of Rights or even the Federalist Papers. And the very essence of democracy, is "majority rule", so rightfully, any minority offended by my religion, should just go back to their own country or find a new country where they are more comfortable. Our government has gotton way far away from those simple principals. Now, tell me what is untrue in these statements please? And remember, just like everyone here, it's MHO.
"The notion of a rigid separation between church and state has no basis in either the text of the Constitution or the writings of our Founding Fathers. On the contrary, our Founders’ political views were strongly informed by their religious beliefs". — Ron Paul
"The Founding Fathers envisioned a robustly Christian yet religiously tolerant America, with churches serving as vital institutions that would eclipse the state in importance". — Ron Paul
"Through perverse court decisions and years of cultural indoctrination, the elitist, secular Left has managed to convince many in our nation that religion must be driven from public view. The justification is always that someone, somewhere, might possibly be offended or feel uncomfortable living in the midst of a largely Christian society, so all must yield to the fragile sensibilities of the few. The ultimate goal of the anti-religious elites is to transform America into a completely secular nation, a nation that is legally and culturally biased against Christianity". — Ron Paul
Posted by: HoosierArmyMom at November 08, 2007 09:51 PM (eaqGd)
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The more people read about Ron Paul, the more they like him. The media HATES him, so they only focus on statements he'd made that might alienate some people.
I absolutely love how nearly every answer he gives to any question related to government can be answered, "Well, according to the Constitution..."
That's just awesome. He really would make a great president.
Posted by: Ogre at November 09, 2007 02:07 PM (oifEm)
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Posted by: Selfish __MEEE___ at November 11, 2007 08:53 PM (O0YsD)
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You know, HoosierArmyMom is the one who brought up "separation of church and state" -- I was just replying with what I was taught in school. Was she asleep during U.S. History class?
It seems to have hit a nerve with you, but don't you think other people like me are going to raise an eyebrow when they hear Ron Paul make claims that disagree with what they learned in school?
I like your enthusiasm for your favorite candidate! That is 100 times better than wusses who are afraid to pick someone they're happy with. But don't you see that your candidate is going to have trouble if what he says doesn't ring true with the American public?
$7 million and 35,000 votes is not going to win the 2008 election.
Posted by: Michael Beschloff at November 13, 2007 08:36 AM (604CD)
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Actually, in your spam, you were demanding that she answer why Ron Paul feels the way he does. You responded to me saying I like Paul's position on the Constitution by questioning me on why Paul supports freedom of religion. And you twisted his words.
Oh, and if you believe what you were taught in public school history, perhaps there is no hope for you.
Posted by: Ogre at November 13, 2007 09:44 AM (2WD8n)
Fair and Balanced?
This is, reportedly, Fox News setting up a camera shoot covering a Republican conference:
Just can't let those darn Ron Paul supporters be seen. He's got dangerous ideas, so the mainstream media, even Fox News, apparently, simply cannot let people know about him.
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Two comments. Ron Paul is not a Republican, he is an anarchist preparing the way for the Communists.
Second, no one should forget that most of the employees for FOX are news people (i.e. liberals). The employees at FOX donated almost four time as much money to John Kerry as they did to George Bush.
Posted by: burt at October 31, 2007 05:26 PM (Aot0m)
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Communist? Wow. I don't think you've read anything about any of Ron Paul's positions. I'm pretty sure that there's not one single communist idea that he would support or has ever voted for.
As for who is a Republican, I guess that depends on what you think Republicans stand for. If you think Republicans are conservatives, then Paul is a Republican. If you think Republicans are represented by Bush and the recent Congressional majorities then indeed, Paul is not a Republican. Nor would I be -- because unlike them, I honestly like freedom.
Posted by: Ogre at October 31, 2007 06:29 PM (oifEm)
Posted by: burt at November 04, 2007 01:22 PM (Aot0m)
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Was there any part of my statement that you found incorrect?
Posted by: Ogre at November 04, 2007 02:56 PM (2WD8n)
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To be honest, I don't like Ron Pauls stance on the War on Terror. Everything else about keeping the federal government out of our lives and smaller government I agree with. I believe that as far as the War goes, we need to finish what has been started or we will pay dearly.
I took the Libertarian test a long time ago and came up 98% Libertarian on my views. But I am also a believer that we need to go at fighting terrorism and Islamofacists with a vengence. Bush has gone at it piecemeal, and he is also selling us down the tubes with Mexico.
Posted by: HoosierArmyMom at November 06, 2007 02:08 AM (TzKlC)
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I agree with you. The problem, at least this election, is that I don't agree with ANY candidate a whole lot. The only who I appear to agree most of the time with is Paul. Rudy talks tough on the war -- but every single other position he has I disagree with.
So while I might disagree with Paul on one issue, I agree with him a WHOLE lot more. And I think Paul, as a Republican, would win BIG in the general election. What are Republicans going to do? Vote for Hillary? I don't think so. And the fringe left will leave Hillary (pro-war) and go with Paul (anti-war). I think he would really win huge if he can win the primary (which is one reason why the media doesn't like him).
Posted by: Ogre at November 06, 2007 02:13 AM (2WD8n)
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I have to wonder to if once he has access to high profile security information if he would change his antiwar view? I guess if he did, he could no doubt be trusted. I do think he is an honest man. I just hear a relative in Virginia who is a huge "Truther" pushing for Ron Paul and it makes me wonder since I think of the as the Moonbat branch of the family! LOL!!!
Posted by: HoosierArmyMom at November 06, 2007 03:04 AM (TzKlC)
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When truthers support Paul, all I can think of is the extra votes that will be siphoned away from the Democrat candidate...
Posted by: Ogre at November 06, 2007 02:16 PM (oifEm)
Edwards: I Can Spend MORE!
Wow. In the midst of the election season, the Democrats are trying to outbid one another. Each one says that they can spend more money than the others. And of course, that's money that you earn that they're bidding to spend. And Edwards even admits that he's going to raise taxes -- a LOT.
He wants to force 3-year old children into schools. It's not enough that the government brainwashes children from age 5-18, now he wants to start at age 3. Why? Because the school system NEEDS to take your children from you earlier so they can program them before you do. Seriously. Government schools are evil and they will destroy your children. And adding a couple years at your expense is what Edwards will do as president.
He wants to put banks out of business because he wants to create a new federal bank savings program -- just for "poor" people -- that will give them free cash. Again, he will have to take that money from people who actually work to earn it so he can give it to "the poor." He's calling it "matching savings accounts." I think I want to be poor so I can get a 100% return on my money. In fact, just in case he becomes president, I think I'll start working now on creating two or three new identities (I think I'll be from Mexico) so I can launder money through federal accounts with 100% interest.
He wants a $9.50 minimum wage. Well that makes sense because he needs "poor" people to support with his other various programs and the quickest way to create more poor people is to make the economic market so screwed up that more people will have to be fired -- or work under the table. The more government screws with the capitalist system, the more people will work to find ways around it. Then again, that might be a good thing because then we could all be "poor" and get a 100% return on our savings accounts.
He wants to give away a million houses to "the poor." Don't you want to be poor now? Not only do you get a 100% return on savings investments, you also get a free house! And like other crappy Section 8 programs, if you don't take care of your house and you destroy it, running it into the ground, the government will just give you another one to destroy.
But wait, there's more!
Yes, not to be outdone with his spending, Edwards also wants to disrupt the entire economic system of higher education by giving away college educations for free, too! It's called "College for Everyone." Awwwww. Isn't that special? Yes, Edwards is going to take enough money from working people to force children into school from age 3 to 23 now. Twenty years of your life will be spent in government education buildings. Government will decide what and when you shall learn for twenty years. You WILL go to the government education camps buildings.
Oh, and you'll have socialized medicine "instantly" according to Edwards. Let's vote for this guy and just be done with this experiment we called "Democracy." It will be better if we end it quickly.
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What about Edward's "College for Everyone - For Free!"
I guess Silky Pony only hires UNC grads to clean the stalls and keep up the plantation he built south of Chapel Hill.
Since when did you need a college education to shovel $hit, work at Wal-Mart, make beds at Motel Six (or UNC Dorms), clean carpets, deliver the mail, or 80% of the jobs that most American's work at. Geez, Silky, didn't you get the memo. When Clinton signed NAFTA, he basically signed the papers that said America is now a Service Economy.
Silky Pony is looking very sad these days. Wanna bet he will decide to run for Governor of North Carolina.
Posted by: Wuptdo at October 29, 2007 03:45 PM (axYNA)
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You know what is really funny. Silky Pony won't talk about illegal aliens. The biggest hazzard to America's working poor are illegal aliens (keeping wages low). I just hope that America's poor (white and black) wake up soon.
Posted by: Wuptdo at October 29, 2007 03:49 PM (axYNA)
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You need a college education because Sir Edwards TELLS you that you need one. And after all, he's paying for it, so why wouldn't you take one? College degrees for ALL!
So sayeth the king!
When will you understand that Edwards really believes he is royalty? He honestly believes that everyone who is not him is a moron and needs to be told what to do because he's so smart. Seriously.
And don't worry about America's poor, Little Johnny Edwards will save them...with your money.
Posted by: Ogre at October 29, 2007 03:57 PM (oifEm)
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You know what is really sad. Image 15 years ago, if the pool maintenance man had put the cover over the pool intake pipe. That little girl would not have had your colon sucked out, and Silky Pony would still be chasing ambulances over at WakeMed and Durham Regional Hospitals.
Never forgot folks, Silky Pony is a ambulance chaser first and foremost.
Posted by: Wuptdo at October 29, 2007 05:24 PM (axYNA)
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That's "Professional" ambulance chaser. Yes, he made ALL his money by stealing from others, plain and simple.
Posted by: Ogre at October 29, 2007 06:59 PM (oifEm)
NC GOP Tailgate Contest
Planning on attending a sporting event this fall? Why not make it a political event? The NC Young Republicans Club is against sponsoring a Tailgate Contest -- you could win $500 for supporting a Republican candidate this year.
Fred on Immigration
Well, it seems that Fred Thompson has released his immigration plans. They sound good. Then again, most of the people running for president right now are saying all sorts of things they don't really mean, support, or have ever done before. I don't know enough yet about Thompson to support him. Of course, I don't know enough about him yet to oppose him, either.
Then again, if immigration is your single issue, Tom Tancredo is the only way to go. Seriously. No one can beat Tom on immigration. Duncan Hunter is right there with Tancredo. Ron Paul's got great long-term solutions to immigration. Rudy McRomney all support amnesty and no international borders at all. Take your pick.
ABC News (D) has up a quiz to "help" you decide your candidate. It's pretty bad. Admittedly, you can only have so many options in a multiple choice test, but still, the questions are VERY slanted. For example, one says, "What is the best way the federal government can get more people covered by health insurance?" There's no answer for "The federal government should shut up and get out of all associations with health insurance, including any and all regulation of insurance at all."
I still ended up with Ron Paul #1, Tom Tancredo #2, and Duncan Hunter #3. Well, those are the three I certainly support the most at this time (even if I did disagree with them on this quiz a whole bunch).
Republican Debate
Just a couple notes on the debate from last night. Oh, you didn't see it? Were you too busy watching the Red Sox trounce the Indians? Or perhaps you were watching the football game. No matter, you really didn't miss anything. Actually, it was the same things they've been saying all along. But a couple notes because I did actually watch just about the whole thing.
Rudy: I honestly don't understand how any Republican can vote for this guy. I've previously mentioned that Rudy cannot beat Hillary. He was asked during the debate to describe where Hillary and he disagreed. He did not answer the question AT ALL. He literally could not give ONE single example of an issue upon which he would disagree with Hillary. That's just sickening.
Mitt: I'd been waffling on him. I want to support him. Peter Porcupine has been big in trying to sway Ogre's support for Romney. But after last night, I've got to add him to the short list: the list that Ogre will not vote for, even if it's Mitt vs. Hillary. Sorry, but he outright said last night that he WILL FORCE every person in America to buy health care. It doesn't matter if you want it or not, you WILL buy it, or he will jail you. He said it is absolutely unacceptable to him for anyone to NOT have health care. Sorry, Mitt, but I'd prefer freedom to government-forced, well, anything.
Huckabee: Despite a few questions about Huckabee, and some SERIOUS states' rights issues with him, and with Chuck Norris' endorsement, Huck really looked good. I think he did a great job at the debate and really looked and sounded the best. I can't really throw my support behind him because of a few issues, but I could at least vote for the guy.
Tancredo: Still great, but still just not getting support.
Paul: Consistency, consistency, consistency. He keeps saying the same thing. There's NO question where he stands on anything. He got a lot of boos every time he mentioned getting the US out of, well, ANY foreign entanglement. That's sad because it was Republicans in the audience. People would do well to remember Jefferson's words:
I am for free commerce with all nations, political connection with none, and little or no diplomatic establishment.
I have ever deemed it fundamental for the United States never to take active part in the quarrels of Europe. Their political interests are entirely distinct from ours. Their mutual jealousies, their balance of power, their complicated alliances, their forms and principles of government, are all foreign to us. They are nations of eternal war. All their energies are expended in the destruction of the labor, property and lives of their people.
All in all not much excitement. But now there's three Republicans that I won't vote for if they win the primary. Sorry, but I just can't vote for the "lesser" evil.
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I watched the whole thing. The only real opinion I was left with is that Ron Paul is too much of a whiner! I do think the Libertarian tendency to avoid big government and keeping the government out of things where a free people should be able to manage is a good thing, but he is just too whiney for me. Just MHO.
Posted by: HoosierArmyMom at October 22, 2007 03:00 PM (eaqGd)
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He did complain about government a lot...sort of like I do all the time...
Posted by: Ogre at October 22, 2007 03:53 PM (oifEm)
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I suppose Hunter isn't getting the support either.
I don't like a one of them, save Tancredo and Hunter.
Even Fred- who bores me to no end, isn't a supporter of American interests.
I dunno. I'm pretty bleak on it all right now.
I too cannot go for the lesser of two evils mindset. It goes against my conscience.
Posted by: Raven at October 22, 2007 07:47 PM (vUhK4)
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That seems to be the general mood of all Republicans -- no one excites them. No one is really motivating anyone to get out and vote.
Democrats are energized by Bush Derangement Syndrome and cannot wait to vote. Hillary will be a very painful president.
Posted by: Ogre at October 22, 2007 10:06 PM (wkwq7)
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He complained a lot but in a high pitched whine!
If my son did that I'd smack him. LOL!!! I just think a President should sound like a Man when he speaks. He should sound like he's no one to be messing with. Ron Paul sounded like a whiney old woman. LOL!!! OK, I'll duck now if there are any Ron Paul fans out there in cyberville.
Posted by: HoosierArmyMom at October 23, 2007 02:06 AM (cU/eW)
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That is true -- the more excited he gets, the higher pitched his voice gets! If you were to select a president just based on his voice from this debate, Huckabee would be the easy choice.
Posted by: Ogre at October 23, 2007 02:21 AM (wkwq7)
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Ogre,
I am pretty much hoping for a Huckabee and Thompson finale at this point. I could not support most of the others, at least not with vigor. As a father of an Iraqi war vet I will not support Paul. He comes off as a nut. Romney is not conservative. I can see a flip flop fest at the Dem convention if he is chosen, just like Kerry saw at the GOP convention.
McCain has not been on our side for a long time. Guilliani is too liberal, but at least consistent about most of his stances. Hunter is a good man, but no Representative, even from CA will ever win. Tancredo is not presidential. I hope Fred gets better because you are right about Huckabee's issues. He is quite sharp on his feet though.
Posted by: David at October 23, 2007 04:03 AM (sihpF)
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I'm still a bit unsure on Thompson, I just don't trust him at all. One reason I like Paul is that he's saying the same things he's always said -- no changes on positions at all -- unlike the top 4. It appears that of the others, only Paul, Huckabee, and Hunter seem to have any chance at all.
Posted by: Ogre at October 23, 2007 08:53 AM (wkwq7)
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Actually, if we could just resurrect Teddy Roosevelt I'd be happy! I took the test on Cao's and the highest score was 40 for Hunter and Thompson. The Dems all scored 12 down to 5.
LOL!!! I guess I really am a "reformed" former Democrat!
Posted by: HoosierArmyMom at October 26, 2007 01:21 AM (cU/eW)
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That's certainly good to hear! I just with there was a Republican that could really excite people like Reagan did. But I think Reagan was once in a lifetime.
Posted by: Ogre at October 26, 2007 11:29 AM (oifEm)
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Well, he's got a strong following with the youngans on the 'net (most of which, if history holds true, won't bother to vote when the time comes), but he's a bit too far out there to appeal to the larger masses. The Libertarian view of eliminating tax-funded government infrastructure and leaving it to private enterprise just plain wouldn't work, and stuff like wanting to legalize drugs will have a very hard time winning the majority over as well.
I also wasn't fond of this "we were only attacked by nine guys" or whatever that was during the debate that for some reason people cheered about... did Ron sorta miss that those guys were part of a worldwide organization holding similar goals and beliefs?
Posted by: Shadoglare at October 20, 2007 07:02 AM (hX4Em)
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Admittedly, I don't think Paul completely understands the ist threat. But I think his other solutions WILL mediate that threat, even if not directly.
As for just have net support -- if it's only a few youngans on the net, how do you explain him out fundraising all other candidates but the top two? He is getting a pile of cash, so someone's got to get supporting him. But I think the press honestly fears him and won't report anything good about him, ever.
Posted by: Ogre at October 20, 2007 01:03 PM (wkwq7)
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Dudes - I was in the Virginia Mountains last week. Every now and then, along the back roads you would see Ron Paul, 08 signs. Talk to one guy who owned a 2 pump gas station/store, and he believes that Ron Paul can save this nation from itself. He is a life long democrat who feels the "party" has abandon him and most other working folks, unless of course, they are a minority. Don't know.
But if Herr Hillary is elected, I'm am sending my family out of the country, and will wait for the next civil war.
Posted by: Wuptdo at October 22, 2007 07:04 AM (axYNA)
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There is a movement in support of Ron Paul. I just wonder if it's enough to get him elected. Things sure would be different...
Posted by: Ogre at October 22, 2007 08:36 AM (wkwq7)
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This guy's solution to Social Security problems is simple, DO AWAY WITH IT! Now you know why all his support is among the young. If Al Queda blows Houston off the face of the earth, I wonder if he will be willing to change his mind and defend the Constitution and the country?
Posted by: burt at October 26, 2007 12:39 AM (Aot0m)
Richard Viguerie on Mike Huckabee
(Manassas, Virginia) Following are the main points made by Richard A. Viguerie, author of Conservatives Betrayed: How George W. Bush and Other Big-Government Republicans Hijacked the Conservative Cause (Bonus Books, 2006), in his new paper, “Mike Huckabee—Wishy-Washy Republican”
Mike Huckabee poses as a conservative, but he enthusiastically promotes big government.
In fact, he’s just another wishy-washy Republican—inconsistent in policy because he’s inconsistent in principle.
Gov. Huckabee claims to support “empowering people to make their own decisions”, but he has consistently promoted government meddling in the market economy.
He called no-tax pledges “irresponsible” but then signed one.
In his 10 years in office, Gov. Huckabee had raised the stateÂ’s sales tax by 37 percent, motor fuel taxes by 16 percent, and cigarette taxes by 103 percent.
He publicly opposed repealing a tax on groceries and medicine, though he claims that he’s “always philosophically supported” axing the tax.
State spending under Gov. Huckabee rose by 65.3 percent during 1996 to 2004.
Not only did he increase ArkansasÂ’s minimum wage from $5.15 to $6.25 per hour, but he even encouraged the U.S. Congress to do the same thing nationally.
He supported President George W. BushÂ’s 2003 massive expansion of Medicare by adding a prescription-drug benefit.
He called the No Child Left Behind Act, which increased federal education spending by 48 percent and expanded big-government control of local schools, “the greatest education reform effort of the federal government in my lifetime”.
He wants to fence illegal immigrants out, but to give them cheap tuition while theyÂ’re here.
Mike Huckabee calls conservatives “blind purists” but poses as one of us. ]
Many more details about Mike Huckabee’s conservative charade are contained in Richard Viguerie’s paper, “Mike Huckabee—Wishy-Washy Republican”, available on-line here.
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Well, it's not like we're ever going to get spending under control without a coup. Who do you promote at this point?
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Posted by: birdwoman at October 19, 2007 01:24 PM (vR7Sl)
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I had been a BIG Tancredo supporter, but it seems like he's not really working to win now, and instead is just happy to bring immigration to the forefront -- which is GREAT, mind you. But I'm not sure Tancredo is in it for the long haul.
Posted by: Ogre at October 19, 2007 01:37 PM (oifEm)
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I think that this is little more than a compilation of mis quotes and misconstrued headlines... do I agree with Huck on everything? Heck no, sometimes he is too big gov for me. But there were several quotes in there that were somewhat inaccurate.
Posted by: chukmaty at October 19, 2007 02:25 PM (2gdS7)
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I think the biggest thing that turns me off to Huckabee is that he wants a federal ban on smoking. That's just scary.
Posted by: Ogre at October 19, 2007 02:28 PM (oifEm)
Fred Smith for Governor?
Fred Smith, Republican candidate for governor, recently held a BBQ fundraiser. Now if you want Ogre to show up somewhere, food is a sure way to get him there. And BBQ will do it nearly every time. His campaign sent me a nice invitation, and I was getting excited about going to the rally (and eating BBQ) and meeting Mr. Smith, asking him questions, and perhaps taking some pictures to post here.
Then I read the date and time on the invitation. It was Wednesday, October 17, from 6:30-8:30 in Statesville. Then I looked at the clock/calendar on the computer. It was Wednesday, October 17, 7:45 pm. Oops. I had just received the invitation in the mail that day. Mr. Smith, you need to talk to your campaign people, because I bet I'm not the only one who missed the rally because of not getting the invitation!
Well, he also sent a copy of his book, "A Little Extra Effort." I'll take a read and post some updates and quotes from the book over the next week or so as I learn more about this fellow who wants my vote.
Giuliani vs Hillary
This post is for those who support Giuliani because "he can beat Hillary."
I've heard, many times, the argument of selecting someone because they can win the election, even if they're the best candidate. I've heard it a lot in the Republican primary, and it really is one of the #1 reasons I've heard people give for supporting Giuliani. However, take a look at this poll.
It shows that the Giuliani CANNOT beat Hillary. All other issues and discussions aside, this poll (I know, it's a poll) clearly shows that Giuliani will not beat Hillary. I know the election is a long ways away. I know there's lots of other factors. But based on this poll (and other anecdotal evidence), the argument that Giuliani can beat Hillary is no longer valid.
Giuliani CANNOT beat Hillary. Numerous groups have mentioned that they will support and run a 3rd-party candidate should Giuliani win the Republican nomination. This situation is very real. Again, to those who support Giuliani just because he can "win," please note these results. He cannot win. I know I won't vote for him if he's the only name on the ballot. And there's clearly a lot of others like me.
Know what would be a true dream ticket for me? And would have a VERY strong chance of beating Hillary? Ron Paul and Alan Keyes. Holy crap. Both strong on the Constitution and freedom and Keyes with very strong foreign policy experience. Wow.
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On October 9th, at least in Wake County, the dead will rise (to vote).
Posted by: Wuptdo at October 06, 2007 04:24 PM (axYNA)
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It's North Carolina -- ANYONE can vote. Literally. You don't even have to be citizens of the US to vote here.
Posted by: Ogre at October 07, 2007 05:43 PM (wkwq7)
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I tried to show my voter registration card when I lived in New Mexico, and you'd thought he was Dracula, and I had just pulled out a crucifix!
Now you know why I moved to Texas. Photo ID is required here. You don't even get a driver's license without a background check. Did I mention I carry a 38 revolver, too? ;-) You need to move to Texas, my friend.
Posted by: DagneyT at October 07, 2007 09:17 PM (AAEEI)
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I had the same happen the first time I voted in NC. They actively refused to look at the voter card. Here, you still need absolutely nothing to vote. Heck, you don't even have to pre-register! Seriously, bin Laden could should up to vote and he'd be allowed to vote.
Posted by: Ogre at October 07, 2007 09:30 PM (wkwq7)
Democrat Debate
So, did you see the Democrat debate last night? Me neither. But hey, if you want to know what today's Democrat party stands for, take a look at some of their positions on the issues:
War: YES.
According to the formerly mainstream media, something like 70% of the people of this country oppose the current war in Iraq. 70% of the people want the US out of Iraq. The top Democrat presidential nominees DO NOT. Edwards, Osama Obama, and Clinton ALL support continued war. In case you missed it: Clinton, Obama, and Edwards SUPPORT THE WAR IN IRAQ. If you, personally, want to vote for someone anti-war, I'd suggest Ron Paul.
Taxes: Higher, more, bigger, huge, massive.
Only Richardson found a tax he didn't like. Every other Democrat candidate crowed about how much they could increase the payroll tax. Yes, that means if you work, they want MORE of your money. Imagine your paycheck. Now imagine your paycheck under a Democrat president: it's smaller.
Biden was one of the few who actually had a coherent, logical thought. His solution to the government paying out too much cash to people who do nothing was to consider raising the retirement age. Total wacko Kucinich actually wanted to REDUCE the retirement age! Then again, maybe that would be good because then the government could go bankrupt right away instead of waiting a few more years.
Keep in mind: social security was NOT designed for everyone! It's official title includes the word "supplemental!" This was a system designed for people who were too old and physically incapable of working. It was supposed to be for widows who lost support from their husbands. If this system was indexed for the increasing life span of people, the social security retirement age would be EIGHTY-ONE -- and it should be. You shouldn't get free cash from the government just for turning 67.
Oh, and all the Democrats promised to spend billions and billions of dollars of YOUR money to ration health care so you can have less of it. Go ahead, vote Democrat. I think things are going to have to get worse before they can get better.
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Could Ron Paul Win?
I know, I know. He's a "lower tier" candidate. The mainstream media polls won't even include him. But is it possible that Ron Paul could actually win the Republican nomination?
Ron Paul vs. Rudy: Ron Paul beat Rudy 23 times, Rudy beat Paul 3 times.
Ron Paul vs. Romney: Paul beat Romney 15 times, Romney beat Paul 11 times.
Ron Paul vs. McCain: Paul beat McCain 22 times, McCain beat Paul 3 times.
Ron Paul vs. Thompson: Paul beat Thompson 13 times, Thompson beat Paul 12 times.
Against the other candidates, Paul beat them 88 times, they beat Paul 8 times.
Overall, Paul beat other candidates 161 times, while he was beat 37 times. He's finished first in 10 of 26 straw polls. I know they're straw polls, but people are voting for him. Could he actually win the nomination? I'm not making a prediction, just looking at the poll results.
Just imagine the election campaign of 2008: Paul vs. Hillary. Now there would be some real choice!
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I've seen Ron Paul's campaign signs for four years posted rurally in Texas, his home state. I have to admit; his "sound bites" and "campaign slogans" sound rational and reasonable...until you actually hear the candidate speak. From there on he sounds like the Republican's version of Dennis Kusinich. Sorry...that's just how I see it!
Posted by: DagneyT at September 25, 2007 11:24 PM (AAEEI)
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I'm not saying he's not out there -- just that it appears he may have a lot more support than the media will give him credit for -- and I bet that scares the living daylights out of the media and the establishment!
Posted by: Ogre at September 26, 2007 12:24 AM (QmAYF)
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I've heard him speak and he's the most sane candidate in the field. The only one that's talking common sense.
Posted by: Rich at September 26, 2007 02:47 AM (7la+s)
Posted by: Ogre at September 26, 2007 10:07 AM (QmAYF)
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Well, what happens is that his supporters get really fired up for appearences and polls, and will slam them. They really do have it together.
That said, yes, he does have some good ideas, but, I cannot get by his Trutherism, isolationist policies, and cut and run from Iraq ideas.
Posted by: William Teach at September 26, 2007 12:39 PM (iS/pK)
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I'm not crazy about his Iraq position, but man, would there be some freedom going on...
Posted by: Ogre at September 26, 2007 12:56 PM (oifEm)
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I think he is the only real choice.
How about an honest man as our President. A man of integrity and honor.
Posted by: Travis at September 30, 2007 01:49 AM (Bpfbj)
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I like freedom. I like honesty. I don't see either in any other candidate for president from either party.
Posted by: Ogre at October 01, 2007 11:10 AM (oifEm)
Republican Congressman from MA?
I got this note from some folks that are trying to do the impossible -- get a Republican elected to Congress in Massachusetts. I honestly don't think it's possible, even when you consider Republicans like Romney got elected there. But is a moderate Republican better than a moderate Democrat? Some would say yes. I'm not sure. So check this fellow out -- you might want to support him:
Meet Lt. Col. Jim Ogonowski (Ret.), the Republican candidate running in the October 16th special election in Massachusetts' 5th district. Jim is a 28-year veteran of the Air Force and Air National Guard. On September 11th, 2001, Jim's brother John was the pilot of hijacked American Airlines Flight 11, the second plane to hit the World Trade Center. Ever since, Jim has dedicated himself to helping John's family, and no w works his brother's farm.
A SurveyUSA/WBZ-TV poll out last week shows Jim behind by just 10 points -- 51-41 percent. That's remarkable in a state that hasn't elected a Republican to Congress in over a decade! What makes this even more incredible is the fact that Jim's Democrat opponent is the well-known wife of a late U.S. Senator.
You need to watch Jim's TV ads to understand the tremendous appeal he has in this race. And once you have, will you chip in $25, $50, or $100 through Rightroots to keep Jim going all the way through Election Day?
This race is winnable if Jim gets the resources he needs to stay competitive. This is a district that only went for John Kerry by 7 points in the last Presidential election and where Democratic governor Deval Patrick was held to 50% in 2006 despite winning the state overwhelmingly. Polls show Jim winning with independent voters 46-39% -- and that's 51% of all the district's voters. All the ingredients are in place for a stunning upset -- and now Jim needs our generous support to carry him across the finish line.
Taking back a Congressional seat in the bluest of blue states would simply stun the liberal media and show that the GOP is alive and well heading into to 2008.
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Values Voter Debate
There was a debate last night -- did you notice? All Republican candidates for president were invited. Not everyone showed up. Well, it was put on by values voters -- so those who disagreed with their positions, for the most part, didn't show up. Absent, but invited, were: all Democrat candidates and Rudy McRomny-Thompson.
Many questions did circle around Christian values. They asked questions that would have been quite tough for many of those people to answer. I watched part of the debate, but my internet connection got funny towards the second half, so I missed parts.
In short, basically all the candidates agreed with just about all the positions of the Values Voters group. The one exception was Ron Paul -- who was solid and outstanding. Mr. Paul was incredibly consistent -- he supported freedom at all times. When asked who would use government to correct behavior like prostitution, all agreed they would except Paul. When asked about expanding government to do, well, anything, most agreed -- except Paul.
And when it came to the discussion about the Iraq war, everyone agreed that the US needed to stay "until victory is won" -- except Ron Paul. At the same time, Mr. Paul agreed with all the positions of the values voters. Keep that in mind: Ron Paul agreed with all the values of the Christian Values Voters. And Ron Paul can beat Hillary Clinton.
A new entrant was in the race and appeared at this debate -- Alan Keyes. Wow. This guy can talk. I absolutely love to listen to him speak about issues that he's passionate about. I have a couple recordings of his speeches from back in 2000. I even managed to vote for him back in 2000 in the presidential primary (I still have the T-Shirt!) He is powerful and passionate -- I really don't understand why he has so much trouble getting votes. And Keyes really understands the war on terror:
The Islamic fascists are evil, and it is right to defend ourselves against them. But we do not fight them because they are Islamic, or even because they are fascists. We fight them because, by their practice of terror, they prove themselves to be people who have no regard for the fundamental tenets of decent conscience that we believe must be respected when human beings deal with one another, even in war.
If you missed that debate, you did miss some really exciting candidates. Now if we can just find a way to ensure that Rudy McRomney-Thompson don't get elected, things could really improve...
Update: Stop the ACLU isn't so inclined to favor Ron Paul after this debate.
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I missed the show- in fact I didn't even know it was on?? LOL..oh well. I'm not at all sold on Ron Paul but I do agree with some of his platform. If the times were different he might stand a chance. But we live in a society that begs for government involvement with our lives. People are willing to exchange individual freedoms for national "programs" like health care and similar things.People are willing to sacrifice their own ability to make choices. it's a scary thought but it's fact.
Posted by: Raven at September 21, 2007 02:16 PM (uifiu)
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It wasn't "on" -- it was internet and a Christian cable network only.
Indeed, that's why Paul is so different. I don't agree with everything he says, but I don't agree with ANY candidate 100%. He's got GREAT ideas -- but I'm afraid you're right, Raven, people honestly do not WANT freedom. I guess it's just too hard for some people.
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