August 11, 2005

Intelligent Design, Part 2

Yesterday I responded to a question from the Christian Views Symposium regarding intelligent design and schools. In the comments to that post, and on his own blog, Pixy Misa said:

ID simply isn't a theory in scientific terms. Evolution is. We can perform experiments in evolution, but in the main it is observational, like astronomy. It's still science

Well, that's not entirely correct. If evolution is observational, why can't intelligent design be observed? After all, evolution CANNOT be observed happening today, only "evidence" of it can be observed. If that's the case, evidence for intelligent design can be just as easily observed. Many scientists have tried to create and observe evolution today. None have succeeded. That's right, none. There are absolutely zero experiments that have been completed that show any evidence of evolution, and it's not due to lack of trying.

Scientists have tried to force evolution in fruit flies because of their extremely short life cycle (40-50 days). Despite numerous attempts, there was no evidence of any evolution -- they continue to reproduce and only produced more fruit flies.

Pixy continued:

And an absolutely vast amount of evidence supporting Evolution.

No. No there isn't. There is only theory. There is zero concrete evidence of any kind. Modern-day DNA shows that the differences between the chimpanzee and the human are incredibly vast. They may be closer than a human and a fish, but the difference is still immense.

Where did the theory of evolution come from? First, Darwin decided "Everything in nature is the result of fixed laws."* So the idea that there could be any sort of intelligent design was rejected without ever being considered. Darwin categorically rejected any sort of intelligent design and THEN set out to find a theory, and THEN tried to find evidence to support it. Evolution and the state-sponsored naturalistic religion is based on an a priori decision.

All scientists that support naturalism and evolution have already rejected the intelligent design theory without any evidence. They have decided it cannot be without examining the theory at all, simply because it does not fit their own religion that declared that natural law MUST explain everything. What if not everything CAN be explained by natural law?

Two of the biggest proponents of evolution, and two people who were very instrumental in getting the naturalistic religion accepted were Herbert Spencer (the first person to extend evolution in other disciplines) and Thomas Huxley (self-anointed as "Darwin's Bulldog"). Both of these men had rejected any possible idea of creationism or intelligent design years before Darwin's theory appeared -- they were looking for something, anything, to believe in other than creation -- even if there were little or no evidence for it.

In 1997, Harvard geneticist Richard Lewontin said,

In the struggle between science and the supernatural, we take the side of science. Because we have a prior commitment to materialism.

Even today's scientists admit that they are not interested in any evidence for intelligent design, simply because they WANT to believe in naturalism -- no matter what actual scientific evidence might show. The authority of science and scientists today rest only on their public image -- not actual science nor scientific evidence.

Pixy also says:

ID doesn't predict anything. Evolution does. Evolution makes quite concrete predictions about how species will respond to selection; about the genetic relationships of species with certain evolutionary relationships; and many other things. These predictions have been borne out time and time again by hard evidence.

This statement only makes things worse for evolution. Sure, evolution makes predictions -- however, there is actually zero evidence for evolution. There is absolute nothing that can be proven to have evolved at all. The observations made by Darwin and the beaks on birds are refute evolution -- instead of changing to change, these adaptations actually showed that the species adapted to stay the same.

No matter how much mutation is observed, the basic DNA of a creature absolutely stays the same. Decades ago, much less was known about biological science. Now, when mutations and adaptations are observed with today's science, it is shown that there is no evolution away from a species. A horse can only reproduce another horse. A horse cannot and never will give birth to a dog.

Pixy finishes with:

But every time it's [ID] presented as science, every scientist in the world will oppose it. Not because it's wrong - we can never know whether it's wrong. Not because it's useless - though it certainly is. But because it's not science. Metaphysical naturalism is the underpinning of all of science. If it's false, all of science is false. It's not a question of refusing to accept evidence; it's a question of there not being any.

Again, scientists do not oppose ID because there's no evidence. Scientists that oppose intelligent design -- and that's NOT all scientists, they're a growing movement that is starting to reject naturalism -- oppose it because they automatically reject the evidence without ever examining it.

These scientists completely rely upon everything having a natural cause. They insist that everything does, and they will reject any suggestion that anything can be supernatural because that would violate their deeply held religious beliefs. Evolution is only supported by radical, strongly-held religious beliefs. Intelligent design has religious beliefs and scientific evidence to support it.

* Nora Barlow, The Autobiography of Charles Darwin, 1958.

Posted by: Ogre at 08:01 AM | Comments (7) | Add Comment
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1 Great job! I'd love to see a heated debate between you and Rightwingnuthouse. But I have one question, without evolution how do you explain Ogres.

Posted by: Jay at August 11, 2005 09:23 AM (2FcUc)

2 So, um, where is the evidence for ID? Your attack on evolution was decent but you didn't make a single statement to support any other theroy. Couldn't we take your arguement and conclude just about anything? "Evolution doesn't add up so life must always have been here" "there isn't enough evidence for evolution so Vishnu danced us into existance"

Posted by: clark at August 11, 2005 09:55 AM (hJ+03)

3 Jay, Ogres don't have to explain Ogres... And Clark, I haven't gone into evidence for intelligent design in this post (I figured it was already too long for many people to read it). There is evidence for ID, including the idea of irreducible complexity, information theory, and a few others. I'll put all them in another post if you're interested (actually, I'll probably do it even if you're not interested, just because you asked.) Thanks for stopping by!

Posted by: Ogre at August 11, 2005 10:01 AM (/k+l4)

4 Clark has a good comment. A deity creating everything ex nihilo can be used to explain anything. If everything's perfect, that's the way the deity created them. If everything's flawed (and men have nipples for no reason), that's the way the deity created them (or is that Satan's doing?) If fossils of homo erectus exist, the deity created the Earth with fossils in it. There's a problem with a theory if two entirely different and contradictory sets of observations lead to the same conclusion. This is essentially the same thing as saying that observation's don't matter.

Posted by: Karlo at August 11, 2005 12:20 PM (HoLw7)

5 I haven't listed the evidence for intelligent design yet, Karlo. I've just shown that evolution is a religion based on deeply-held religious beliefs and is simply not a valid scientific theory that can be supported with any evidence that has been observed. I'll get to the evidence for ID -- I'd like to get it up tomorrow, but it might not make it up until Saturday or Monday.

Posted by: Ogre at August 11, 2005 12:37 PM (/k+l4)

6 Back in February I posted on ID, not so much toward the evolution of man; rather on the aspects of celestial objects in the cosmos having been the result of ID. http://tfsternsrantings.blogspot.com/2005/02/intelligent-design-or-coincidence_26.html

Posted by: TF Stern at August 11, 2005 01:49 PM (dz3wA)

7 Good stuff there, TF! Good stuff with excellent links and supporting. I've got some reading to do!

Posted by: Ogre at August 11, 2005 02:41 PM (L0IGK)

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