Ah, those who didn't make it to the show, you did miss a good time.
Tonight was the debate between two Republicans who are facing off in the primary for North Carolina House District 95. There is no Democrat registered, so the winner of the primary on May 2nd will be elected to the North Carolina House of Representatives.
As I figured, I could not get any internet at the actual restaurant. So I took notes and pictures and here's the report. It was good food, and you could have met Ogre in person, so you really missed out!
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I wanted to come but time and money came into the picture. I figured you would like the food. I told you it was good county cooking, shame I forgot to mention the buffet.
Posted by: Arbitratorofall at March 17, 2006 03:38 AM (5+Jvh)
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Ah excuses, excuses!
I don't think I've ever actually seen Chicken and Dumplins on a buffet line before. And they were goood!
Posted by: Ogre at March 17, 2006 12:41 PM (/k+l4)
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That is one of the reasons people go there.
Posted by: Arbitratorofall at March 17, 2006 01:30 PM (5+Jvh)
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Heck, it's a good enough reason that I'll be sure and go back!
Posted by: Ogre at March 17, 2006 03:07 PM (/k+l4)
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Having know the vision, Robert Brawley has put in to serving, His nation, as well as his State, With the many changes coming to the 95th District, You need some one who, will never be to involved in other actives,that they can not meet with the menbers of the district. Much less, to have the adusity, to the point of sending, a hostile person,who has no imput,in to the problems that many are seeking answer for. She is to be represnting all in the district,! Yes,I enjoy racing, and the vision of quick thinking on the track,to keep from becomig a block of steel.THIS it has added a lot to this community,an State as well.While adding all these perks to the driver's and staff.
Let them, also add a few more rolling bearng manufacturing or equalivant,to the district, that would take care of the tax,on gas, and be fit the district,a lot more as all work together,with emotions under control.
Posted by: Gail B Pitts at April 02, 2006 11:29 PM (z1AN5)
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The district does spread quite a ways across the county, not just to Mooresville -- so maybe Karen Ray is counting on winning by winning everywhere else? I don't know, I haven't met her.
Posted by: Ogre at April 02, 2006 11:35 PM (2eMZT)
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Karen Ray is a very upsdtanding citizen who works very hard for everyone in her district. Keeping jobs here and creating new ones are of foremost concern to her. Robert Brawley has tried and will continue to try and distort the facts that he can not back up himself. Robert Brawley has a very shady past in his history in the House of Representatives. If Robert Brawley had done so much for our area as far as roads and infrastructure why are we still in this situaton we are. He was there for 18 years and has nothing to show for it besides being disloyal to the Republican Party. People in the 95th district should keep posted to the local press and other media and really see what type of politician Robert Brawley is.
Posted by: Anonymous at April 05, 2006 11:49 PM (FcM9f)
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Thank you for stopping by and giving your opinion on this race!
Posted by: Ogre at April 06, 2006 11:33 AM (/k+l4)
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Hey Ogre, you do not run a biased web blog do you? You aren't trying to push your agenda here are you?
Posted by: anon y mous at April 11, 2006 10:52 PM (FcM9f)
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I, like every single other person on the planet, including every single person who writes any article for any publication, am interested in advancing my agenda. I'm just a bit more honest about it than, say, newspapers.
Posted by: Ogre at April 11, 2006 10:58 PM (2eMZT)
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Next time someone starts making wild claims about Robert Brawley or Karen Ray. Ask them one question. Do you have evidence to support this claim? In this way, you can discover the truth for yourself and learn about the character of each candidate. Make an informed decision when you vote on May 2nd because the winner in the primary will be your representative and will have a large impact on the future of our community.
I have spent a great deal of time over the past several weeks speaking with Karen Ray supporters and with Robert Brawley supporters. I have realized that Karen Ray's biggest strength is misinformation. It is truly disturbing that her campaign relies so heavily on deceit and rumor. It is nothing that can be tied directly back to Ray, but it is the kind of lies that people love to repeat.
Claim #1: “Brawley served 18 years in the House and didn’t accomplish anything. Brawley doesn’t have a plan for the community.”
This claim is founded purely on ignorance of historical fact. Brawley was President of the National Republican Legislators Association and National Legislator of the Year in 1995. You donÂ’t attain national recognitions like these for twiddling your thumbs. Brawley helped get Hwy 150 widened, he got the Mooresville and Statesville School systems working together, he acquire grants for water and sewer for exit 36 commercial and office development and the South Iredell Industrial Park, worked to pave numerous roads in Iredell County, and he worked to establish and pave much of the industrial park where many race teams are located.
When he left office, roads like Brawley School Rd and many others were scheduled for widening and paving. Since he left, many of these projects have died through negligence.
Robert BrawleyÂ’s plan is to get our infrastructure back on track so we can grow without extreme congestion and overcrowding. See for yourself at www.RobertBrawley.com Robert Brawley helped lay the foundation for the economic prosperity we now have and he needs to go back to office to get our infrastructure and our community back on track.
Claim #2: “Brawley doesn’t respect women. He thinks they should be at home in the kitchen.”
This is a claim that RayÂ’s campaign promoted at the end of the 2002 race. A mailer was sent out just several days before election-day. One indication of the invalidity of this claim is the timing. If you donÂ’t want to give your opponent the chance to respond then your claim is probably false. But, Karen Ray supporters continue to communicate this myth so I will bring some facts to the exchange.
Robert Brawley believes that each family should decide who goes to work and who stays home. Or if both parents need to work, that is up to them. Brawley has three daughters (Shelley, Sarah, and Susan), all of which he paid for their college education. Speak with them yourself and they will tell you that their father has always encouraged them to get an education and to pursue their dreams. Brawley also helped his wife start a business on Main St in Mooresville. Not the actions of a male chauvinist.
Perhaps RayÂ’s idea of equality would be for Brawley to lay down and let her win the election. I think itÂ’s just a ploy, because she as a woman herself can attempt to capitalize on voterÂ’s sentiments of chauvinism by characterizing Brawley as a sexist. Personally, I think that says something about her character.
Claim #3: RayÂ’s reckless letter to the Mooresville Tribune. I have reproduced RayÂ’s accusations followed by BrawleyÂ’s responses.
RayÂ’s Accusation 1. "Brawley voted to kill a bill that would require lobbyists to report their entertainment expenses for money spent on wining and dining members of the General Assembly. In voting against ethics reform legislation, Robert Brawley stated, 'We can make a statement to the people of North Carolina by saying we trust each other.' (May 9, 1991, Charlotte Observer). Brawley's statement clearly represents his close and personal relationship with lobbyists.")
BrawleyÂ’s Response- Ray received $72,000 from motorsports after supporting $5,000,000 for the racing hall of fame and has the audacity to question me on campaign finance ethics? This was a democratÂ’s bill (with a deceptive title) that promoted the democratÂ’s agenda.___
RayÂ’s Accusation 2. "...At a time when Republicans were trying to reform campaign finance laws, Brawley took it upon himself to write the Raleigh News & Observer to advance the idea that campaign finance reform was wrong for North Carolina. In his letter, he stated that, 'Reforming the current system of campaign financing would lead to socialism, conformity and communism.' (News & Observer Editorial, July 20, 1997) ... Brawley's attempts to block real reform have lead to the scandal surrounding Speaker Jim Black." )
Brawley’s Response - Ray’s haphazard accusation comes from a liberal editorial that says the typical Republican attitude toward campaign finance reform is founded in “farcical notions.” Both Ray and the liberal editorial have taken the quote out of context. I wrote this letter against the public financing of campaigns because I don’t want our tax dollars to be allocated to candidates which we do not support. ___
RayÂ’s Accusation 3. "...Just last year, (Brawley) announced his intentions of running for Insurance Commissioner in 2008. This announcement came as part of a fundraising scheme to hide the identity of donors to his 2008 campaign. It took a reporter to inform him in an interview that his scheme would not shield the identity of his donors (News & Observer, Feb. 3, 2005). "This article reveals two troubling facts about Robert Brawley. One, he was condoning the shielding of political donors from the public, a position consistent with his past record; and secondly, he demonstrated a clear lack of knowledge about our election laws." )
BrawleyÂ’s Response - ( quoted ""The $100 comes from so many people telling me they would like to contribute , but fear backlash from the current (Democratic*) commissioner if he finds out.") The newspaper knew about it, so obviously there was no behind the scenes scheme. My goal was to protect Republican supporters from a Democrat who forces dissenters into submission with realistic threats against their livelihood, a clear abuse of power. After conferring with the election board I realized this strategy was not feasible. It doesnÂ’t surprise me that my opponent is attempting to distort my decent intentions; however there is no merit to her claim. We need to focus on solutions, not waste time on unfounded accusations. Do we want representation from someone who has worked more as a lobbyist for her industry than as a champion for our community?____
*Democratic added to original quote from article
I cannot reproduce the actual articles Ray refers to, but in the interest of refuting fiction with fact I will provide the following links where you can purchase the article from the paper. In these articles you can see that Ray has had to align herself with liberal viewpoints to find attacks against Brawley. If anything, these accusations prove that Brawley is a solid conservative.
News and Observer articles – search tip, search customized by date using Brawley as search term
http://archives.newsbank.com/ar-search/we/Archives?p_action=keyword&p_theme=RLEC&p_product=RLEC
Charlotte Observer article – search tip, search customized by date using Brawley as search term
http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_action=customized&s_search_type=customized&p_product=CO&p_theme=realcities2
Posted by: David Goebelt at April 13, 2006 03:25 PM (IKgKR)
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Awesome response! I'm posting that tomorrow.
Posted by: Ogre at April 13, 2006 03:42 PM (/k+l4)
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It just goes to show what a person such a David Gobelt is trying to do. He is Robert Brawley's little whipping boy who goes from house to house dressed like a slob and gets turned away at each door or talked to like he is an idiot. It seems that if Robert Brawley would send out someone to do this he would at least send out a decent person who knows how to present himself.
Posted by: ano ny mous at April 14, 2006 03:36 AM (FcM9f)
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Mr. or Mrs. Anonymous,
I had hoped to have a discussion about the facts. If you would like to dispute any of the evidence I have presented, please do so.
As far as my appearance is concerned, I am a volunteer and I do my best to look nice when I go out campaigning for Mr. Brawley. I am not ashamed of the cause I promote and that is why I don't post my comments anonymously.
I would be delighted if a Karen Ray supporter would engage me on the issues, but I won't be drawn into a game of name calling.
Sincerely,
David Goebelt
Posted by: David Goebelt at April 14, 2006 06:28 PM (hDhjf)
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David,
The facts are that the supporters of Karen Ray that you visited are 95% lifelong residents of this area. These people support Karen Ray because they knew her well before she was politically involved and they also knew Robert Brawley before and after his terms in the NC House. They do not have to be fed your so-called "mis-information" because they know both candidates on a personal basis and they have chosen Karen Ray because she is honest and she works hard for her constituents. You are simply trying to make an honest woman seem dishonest and a dishonest man (Robert Brawley) seem honest. That will not work with life long residents of the Mooresville area.
Posted by: an ony mous at April 14, 2006 10:17 PM (FcM9f)
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Hey anonymous, what great (obviously I'm being sarcastic) backbone you have!! I can't believe you support Karen Ray since your comments would indicate that you are a die hard democrat. Yeah, the democrats of today who have made a worthless art form of spewing garbage about those you do not support. This exercise intends to damage those you are against, so much so that you hope to coerce anyone listening into believing the one you DO support is worthy somehow, in comparison to those you damage. I say this because you have offered absolutely zero of Mrs. Ray's actions in a positive light to counteract your negatives about Mr. Brawley. I have lived in Mooresville all my life. I know both people. I also know David Goebelt. He is one of the kindest, most personable people I have ever met. I'm not going to defend him any further since your comments were so juvenile. Mr. Ogre's description of this site references that he would not modify/edit postings as long as they are not extremely rude. I think you are dancing on the rude line myself. Why don't you give a name? Maybe you are an elected person yourself. Maybe you're just the typical coward taking advantage of the wonders of cyberspace. This is America, where we all have the right be as big a jack ass as we want. However, maybe the means and methods by which we exercise that right will be what determines the character of each of us. Either way, now that I think about it, you are good for Robert Brawley. Your lack of identity and your inadequate verbage indicate the type of people who are against him. That only makes him look good. Hey thanks - from me, who is not afraid to say who I am.
Posted by: carole crews at April 14, 2006 11:00 PM (tCoUw)
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I appreciate the kind comments from my friends. If there is anyone who has any questions or would like to get to know me better you can give me a call at home (704-663-2635) or at my office (704-664-1502). Or you can go to my website at www.RobertBrawley.com
Thanks,
Robert Brawley
Posted by: Robert Brawley at April 15, 2006 01:01 AM (IKgKR)
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Ok, here's the problem I have with Robert Brawley punching on anybody about Richard Morgan. Brawley was a turn coat when he was in the General Assembly. Have you all forgotten when he try to sell out Republican Speaker Harold Brubaker in 1997?
January 28, 1997 - News & Observer: "Last week, Brawley, a 16-year veteran of the state House, had said he would vote for Democrat Jim Black of Charlotte for speaker."
Posted by: Anonymous at April 15, 2006 04:50 PM (jlivZ)
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Hey little whipping boy, did Robert write all that information out for you? Hey Ogre, to have never met Karen Ray before you sure do offer a one sided view from your comments! You aren't a whipping boy too are you?
Posted by: happy go lucky at April 16, 2006 03:28 AM (3uASo)
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And as far as the comments on Robert Brawley's website concerning Representative Ray's travel arrangements to Texas, Ed McLean needs to get his facts straight before spreading incorrect information.
Posted by: happy go lucky at April 16, 2006 03:35 AM (24LEN)
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Ogre, hmmmmm, it is now proven that you are strictly for Robert Brawley and you are not running an unbiased blog. But just tell Ed McLean to get his facts straight that he is feeding to Robert. And Ed, if you read this, yes, it is being made public that you are outed.
Posted by: adam sandler at April 16, 2006 03:56 AM (3uASo)
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Mr. or Mrs. Anonymous of (11:50 AM Saturday, Apr 15),
Thank you for bringing some evidence to the table. After reading the full article and comparing it to your synopsis, I do believe you have misconstrued the facts.
First you call Mr. Brawley a “turn coat.” For Mr. Brawley to be a turncoat he would have to actualize his threat to vote for Jim Black. For example, if you threaten to kick me in the shin it does not mean that you already have. So, according to the article you presented, Mr. Brawley is not a turncoat.
Second, in order to “sell out” you must receive something in return. 1997 was during Mr. Brawley’s last term in the NC House, so he did not receive any political rewards for voting for Brubaker. And any offers the Democrats may have made are based on speculation and hearsay and as such do not qualify as evidence.
Third, you say “he try to sell out” Brubaker. There was no “try” involved. The article made it quite clear that Mr. Brawley’s vote would swing the House. Essentially, Mr. Brawley carried enough weight to choose between the two candidates for speaker. He chose Brubaker.
Strategically, this is your best argument against Mr. Brawley because so much of the negotiations are not on the record. You then fill in the blanks with your own speculations and capitalize on the public perception of corrupt politicians as reinforcement for your theories.
But, if the worst thing Robert Brawley did in 18 years of service to his district was threaten to vote for Jim Black, then I think he did pretty good.
Sincerely,
David Goebelt
Posted by: David Goebelt at April 16, 2006 01:13 PM (IKgKR)
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You anonymous people crack me up with your rants while you're hidden from identity. How much validity can you expect your comments to have? If you can't even confirm yourself, then why should anyone go to the trouble of trying to confirm anything you say? An opinion emerging from the unknown is hardly an opinion anyway. And you - "happy go lucky" - you don't sound very happy OR lucky. You continue to offer such strong critisism, yet neglect to back it up. Offering a mention of a name or two, or a date, or an article hardly disguise the reality of your lack of facts. For pete's sake, why do you think cable news has taken over the viewing world for how people want to try to get their facts? Newspaper articles is the last place any intelligent person would look for the truth. And if they did, they would certainly know to take heart of the nature of the report and who it was coming from. Most of you unknowns are so much like children, it makes me want to ask if mommy and daddy know you're on the internet.
Posted by: carole crews at April 16, 2006 02:19 PM (tCoUw)
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Happy, is the Ed McLean you are talking about the one that was ousted by the motorsports association? I read up on something on the web about that as was just curious if he was the same person that I read about.
Posted by: iminvisible at April 16, 2006 03:21 PM (24LEN)
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Hey invisible, yes, that is the same Ed McLean that is feeding the false information. At least people now know that while he still had a job he worked to get things done for industry. Now I guess he has a really sour taste in his mouth so he is feeding false information. Also, Robert Brawley must have a bad past to have to send people here to talk good about him and defend his "turncoat" decisions.
Posted by: happy go lucky at April 16, 2006 03:46 PM (BjOjj)
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Quite a lot of, well, I guess it could be considered "discussion" here, but I'm not sure I'd call it "debate..."
Almost all of what I see here from those who support Karen Ray are insults. Heck, some are insulting me for allowing people to actually comment their own opinions here! I'm not sure you get the point of a blog and this setup -- ANYONE can post WHATEVER they like -- and since I'm not posting comments by everyone else, how is it that I'M biased based on others' comments?
I'm not aware of Mr. Brawley supporting Black for speaker. Of course, if he did, that was 8 years ago. I'm not sure of the dynamics there, but as Mr. Goebelt says, if that's the worst he did, that's not too bad (even if I'm strongly opposed to that action).
You may notice over on the right side of the main page of the blog, you see Ogre's endorsements. As of yet, there's no endorsement in this race by me. I'm still trying to decide. However, almost all I'm seeing and getting from Karen Ray supporters is insults, which doesn't help their cause.
I'd like to hear more from Ms. Ray, but she wasn't at the scheduled debate, and her representative was actually very rude in my opinion. I've sent her emails over the years, and I've never gotten one response. I've talked to Mr. Brawley and he's very open and honest when asked questions.
I asked him a question at the debate and he didn't know the answer -- and he admitted it. Very few politicians I've seen will do that. I'll set up a couple more questions about this race and email both candidates and see what response I get.
Posted by: Ogre at April 16, 2006 06:35 PM (2eMZT)
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And thank you all for stopping by and leaving comments, I do appreciate that.
Posted by: Ogre at April 16, 2006 06:35 PM (2eMZT)
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Hello Orge, "Count this “debate” as a big win for Robert Brawley. Karen Ray shouldn’t count on a lot of support from the Republican base in Iredell county after this performance." This isn't you trying to put your spin on this race is it?
And as far as Carole talking about how newspapers are not honest "Newspaper articles is the last place any intelligent person would look for the truth" , well, the candidate you support is the first person to run to the newspapers to try and start a "dirty campaign". If you remember correctly, Robert Brawley went to the Mooresville Tribune on March 31, 2006. The article is linked below. So since the newspapers aren't honest, then I guess your candidate found the perfect place to start his campaign war because it befits him well. At least our representative at this time has a record to stand on unlike the opponent who is trying his best to cover his butt on his record as well as what his big mouth has said in all the past years. And that I do not need to provide references to.
http://www.mooresvilletribune.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=MOT/MGArticle/MOT_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1137835067329
Posted by: happy go lucky at April 16, 2006 08:14 PM (FcM9f)
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Mr. or Mrs. Happy go lucky,
After wading through your last five posts IÂ’ve found two points I deem worthy of response.
1. Mr. BrawleyÂ’s website on page
http://www.robertbrawley.com/PriorityComparison.html says Karen Ray supported a tax break for aviation fuel for race team owners and that she flew to and from Texas aboard a Penske and a Hendricks jet. You said that the facts are incorrect, but do not offer the correct facts. If Karen Ray has never flown to and from Texas on Penske and Hendricks jets then please say so, or if the dates are posted incorrectly please offer the correct dates. I will let Mr. Brawley know so he can make arrangements to amend his website.
2. Mr. BrawleyÂ’s press release to the Mooresville Tribune was an attempt to engage Karen Ray on the issues after she would not meet to discuss them in public. It is certainly a flawed medium of communication, and in my opinion, the article was bias towards Karen Ray, especially the title. Robert Brawley did not call Karen Ray any names and he did not attack her character. Not as much can be said for the tactics of Karen RayÂ’s campaign.
Mr. Brawley simply questioned the focus of Karen RayÂ’s representation of the 95th district. The racing industry is an important part of our community, but it should not be represented at the exclusion of the rest of the community. It is a representativeÂ’s job to represent the needs of their entire district, not the needs of the deepest pockets. If racing is represented at the expense of the rest of the community then racing is all we will have.
Our population has exploded over the last several years, and a great deal of attention needs to be paid to our infrastructure. If our representative ignores the needs of the people and their businesses then we will all suffer. Robert Brawley has a history of getting roads paved and widened (ex. Hwy 150 and race park) and actually got Brawley School Rd. on the TIP (Transportation Improvement Program) , but after he left office the project lost steam and it is still in the planning stage.
Mr. Brawley probably took it for granted that the representatives that followed him would work as hard as he did. They didnÂ’t, and now we are suffering as a result. In 1998, Robert Brawley was planning for the future to meet the infrastructure needs we have today.
Karen Ray, “anonymous,” “happy go lucky,” and the supposed “adam sandler” have tainted this race with half-baked defamations and outright lies in a sleight of hand attempt to distract the public from their lack of representation.
Robert Brawley has a track record of getting our community to work together for progress and he is the clear choice for the 95the district on May 2nd.
Sincerely,
David Goebelt
Posted by: David Goebelt at April 16, 2006 11:29 PM (IKgKR)
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David, are you Robert's PR person or something?
Posted by: happygolucky at April 16, 2006 11:38 PM (FcM9f)
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I'm a concerned citizen and a volunteer. Care to respond to my post?
Posted by: David Goebelt at April 16, 2006 11:53 PM (IKgKR)
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Yeah, I'll respond. You keep making statements about what he has done with roads and what he was going to do with roads. So now, present your proof of this because I think you are just as full of crap as Robert Brawley was and still is. How many years was he in office? Show the proof. Just thought I'd ask you to show the proof since that seems to always be your response to any comment made here.
And being that you are NOT from here and have only been here a couple years you wouldn't know the growth. If you were from here, you would see that Robert Brawley never got anything done and I will assure you that if he goes to Raleigh you shouldn't expect him to get anything done. He is a joke in Raleigh and he could not convince the Pope to give him anything.
So keep doing your wishful thinking. And as far as the plane trips, I work in racing and know many people, and Ed McLean"s facts are false. I can not provide you with a manifest of a private plane but, what does it matter if I do produce that, you have nothing to back up your claims that Robert Brawley got anything done here. If you have the proof, show it, don't say it.
Oh yeah, and doesn't it suck when it rains on your parade?
Posted by: happygolucky at April 17, 2006 12:38 AM (FcM9f)
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Happy go lucky -- if one candidate doesn't appear at the debate, and their representative is rude, how else can you "score" the debate? Should I say that Karen Ray did better because she send a rude person?
And based on your last comment, Happy, can you provide me with a reason to vote FOR Ms. Ray? I'm seriously asking, because I've not seen any reasons given by her or her supporters, other than "Robert Brawley's no good." I've got an open mind -- convince me.
Posted by: Ogre at April 17, 2006 01:23 AM (2eMZT)
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Mr. or Mrs. Happy go lucky,
I was thinking about your earlier question regarding my position in Robert BrawleyÂ’s campaign. It is surprising that you question me and even go so far as to tell me how long I have lived in this area when you have yet to reveal your identity. Are you so ashamed of the cause you promote? Are you worried what people will think about your support of Karen Ray, or your defamations of Robert Brawley? Honestly, it is hard to take you seriously.
You said you work in racing, but unless you are a team owner getting tax breaks, you should really consider voting for Robert Brawley. Karen Ray has focused most of her attention on furthering the interests of race team owners and all IÂ’ve seen while she has been in office is an increasingly stressed infrastructure (roads, schools). She owns a business that supplies race parts, so given her perspective it would make sense that she thinks racing is all Iredell County has to offer.
I donÂ’t know if you are aware of the road improvement process in North Carolina. Road paving and widening are formerly outside the responsibilities of a legislator. Karen Ray would probably be the first to make you aware of that fact. However, North Carolina is not typical of most states in that it owns about 90% of the roads. It is the NCDOTÂ’s job to evaluate which roads need improvement. This puts legislators in the ideal position to lobby for roads needed in their district, but it also means that there is no paper trail. But, as they say, the proof is in the pudding, or in this case the pavement.
Through the 80s and 90s, when Robert Brawley was in office, the roads carried the capacity necessary to avoid congestion. Mr. Brawley worked with NC Senator Howard Bryan, US Senator Jim Broyhill when he was Secretary of Commerce, the City Councils, and the County Commissioners to get roads widened and paved and to get water and sewer for exit 36 and industrial park development. If contacted they can attest to Robert BrawleyÂ’s proactive role in Iredell County's development. I know Karen Ray is a former County Commissioner but I would leave her off your call list given her natural bias now that Robert Brawley is her opponent.
Robert Brawley is the kind of legislator that uses his leadership to help the community work together. He didnÂ’t establish the entire infrastructure by himself, but he does have a history of pulling people together to work for everyoneÂ’s benefit.
You also say Robert Brawley “is a joke in Raleigh.” He was Joint Caucus leader of the Republican Caucus, President of the National Republican Legislators Association, and National Legislator of the Year in 1995. I have previously mentioned these offices but they deserve reminding because I don’t think “a joke” could attain these honors. Karen Ray is the Chair of the Motorsports Legislative Caucus and was assigned by Jim Black to the Appropriations Committee. The joke is in comparing the two records. If anyone in Raleigh doesn’t want Mr. Brawley back it’s because he has an old-fashioned habit of keeping his word and expecting others to do the same.
Another thing, you still havenÂ’t corrected Robert BrawleyÂ’s website regarding Karen RayÂ’s riding on Penske and Hendricks jets. IÂ’m not asking you to provide manifests for her trips, just what youÂ’ve been told about her travel arrangements. If the dates of her travel are in dispute, then it would be better for Mr. Brawley to take the dates off and simply say Karen Ray flew to and from Texas aboard Penske and Hendricks jets.
I hope that this time your response will include more logic than insults.
Sincerely,
David Goebelt
Posted by: David Goebelt at April 17, 2006 02:41 PM (IKgKR)
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My mistake. Previous post, third paragraph, second sentence, "formerly" should say formally.
Posted by: David Goebelt at April 17, 2006 02:45 PM (IKgKR)
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David, It's obvious that you are in the dark here. If you were from here I guess you could be held at fault for your positions but since you are not from here, well, it can slide.
Please keep in mind that Brawley School Road is on a 7 year plan and there is much work involved in getting the road done and it is on the docket to be widened and has been worked on by our representative. Maybe you should call the NCDOT and see just how much it has been worked on by our representative instead of assuming that it hasn't. Also, Langtree Road and Brawley School Road are both getting an exit. I guess that just fell out of the sky too didn't it? You can not build roads fast enough to handle the congestion. And if you think 6 laning I-77 will help, just drive south one morning, it is no better now that it is 6 laned going to and from Charlotte from Huntersville than it was when it was 2 lanes. And trust me, being a lifetime resident of NC I am much more aware of the way NC works than you are.
And as far as racing goes and the owners getting tax breaks, keep in mind that there is a thing called the "trickle-down effect". When owners receive breaks on things, they can pass it along in salaries to their employees. Are you too ignorant to realize that or are you just too hard headed to admit it?
And another thing, it matters not in the least to me whether or not you take me serious.
Posted by: happygo@lucky.com at April 17, 2006 07:23 PM (Fcu6X)
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With that argument, Happy, why should I vote for Karen Ray over Robert Brawley? They're both promising to build roads. Is it only because Karen Ray is giving tax breaks to racing teams? I'm not being a pain, I'm seriously looking for someone to give me a concrete reason to vote for Karen Ray. All I've seen from her campaign is that she's tough on crime. Well, who isn't?
Posted by: Ogre at April 17, 2006 07:28 PM (/k+l4)
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Oh yeah, that's right. There is benefit to Karen's involvement with the racing industry. Yeah, that's right - her business is race related, and I think one or both of her children draw those nicer salaries you speak of from motorsports industry. Nothing like a "close to home" connection to your efforts as a representative.
It's a good thing you aren't bothered by not being taken seriously. Your postings have become much more an entertaining fiction read than any information source, which was what really should have been posted.
Everyone I know who has read this blog has the same reaction - the Ray supporters seem to be all talk and no walk. Keep up the good work! 'Cause I think you're winning Robert soem votes!
And yes, you're still unidentified. "David is in the dark??" That's pretty funny from you, O brave one.
Posted by: carole crews at April 17, 2006 07:48 PM (tCoUw)
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Carole, Now you are a real smart one, haha. When I was speaking of David being in the dark, I was not talking about his identity, I was talking about him not being from here which helps to explain his lack of knowledge of the area.
It is definitely good to know that Robert has two supporters (aside from his family)namely, you and David, but to each their own.
Do you know the impact of motorsports in dollar value to this area and our state Carole? Do you know why we need to be sure we keep them here? Go buy yourself a copy of the econimic impact study that motorsports generates here. If racing left Iredell county because some other area of the country offered more incentives how many local business do you think would shut down or struggle to keep afloat? We certainly aren't growing corn anymore in the area of Iredell county that the 95th district represents. There are thousands of people that come here because of racing and Lowe's. Lowe's is so tied into racing it isn't funny. So go ahead, gripe about it, show how shallow your mind is and keep being the idiot that you are. This whole town area depends on the sucess of motorsports and support businesses for its livelihood.
I will admit, motorsports is but one issue in this race, but as Ogre said about our representative, I can say the same about Robert, he shouldn't count on much support from the thousands of votes that will be cast from the industry employees. The attention that they get is well appreciated from all.
And also, Robert needs to show where there was a $5 million allocation for the NASCAR Hall of Fame, because there never was such a thing voted on. It is all private money. Go figure, just another example of the "mis-information" campaigh run by Robert Brawley and his cohorts such as yourself and David Gobelt.
Posted by: happygolucky at April 17, 2006 08:25 PM (Fcu6X)
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Carole, Now you are a real smart one, haha. When I was speaking of David being in the dark, I was not talking about his identity, I was talking about him not being from here which helps to explain his lack of knowledge of the area.
It is definitely good to know that Robert has two supporters (aside from his family)namely, you and David, but to each their own.
Do you know the impact of motorsports in dollar value to this area and our state Carole? Do you know why we need to be sure we keep them here? Go buy yourself a copy of the econimic impact study that motorsports generates here. If racing left Iredell county because some other area of the country offered more incentives how many local business do you think would shut down or struggle to keep afloat? We certainly aren't growing corn anymore in the area of Iredell county that the 95th district represents. There are thousands of people that come here because of racing and Lowe's. Lowe's is so tied into racing it isn't funny. So go ahead, gripe about it, show how shallow your mind is and keep being the idiot that you are. This whole town ad region depends on the sucess of motorsports and support businesses for its livelihood. What type of work would people be doing here if it wasn't for motorsports? They certainly wouldn't be making an average of $69,000 per year now would they?
I will admit, motorsports is but one issue in this race, but as Ogre said about our representative, I can say the same about Robert, he shouldn't count on much support from the thousands of votes that will be cast from the motorsports industry employees. They know who is for them and who is against them.
And also, Robert needs to show where there was a $5 million allocation for the NASCAR Hall of Fame, because there never was such a thing voted on. It is all private money. Go figure, just another example of the "mis-information" campaign run by Robert Brawley and his cohorts such as yourself and David Gobelt.
Posted by: happygolucky at April 17, 2006 08:28 PM (Fcu6X)
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Happy,
Sure I knew what you meant by "in the dark." It was just too good an opportunity to poke again at your yellow streak.
You can read House bill #1724 on the N.C. government website which also indicates Ray as primary sponsor. No one said it was voted on. Statements claim that Ray supported 5 million for the hall of fame. I think if she's primary sponsor proposing the figure, you can guess she supports it and would vote yes on it.
I like racing as much as anybody. The points have clearly been made that focus needs to be more balanced, and maybe less streamlined toward one industry. Iredell county still has both manufacturing and non-manufacturing employers dominating the top numbers.
Posted by: carole crews at April 17, 2006 09:44 PM (tCoUw)
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Mr. or Mrs. happygo@lucky.com,
IÂ’m not sure how being a lifelong resident of a region educates one on the political process. By osmosis perhaps? Last week I spoke with a woman in a retirement community who said she hadnÂ’t ever voted and never planned to. I presume you are more knowledgeable than her about how North Carolina politics work even though your qualifications are the same. I could be from Timbuktu, what matters is if I am able to apply my knowledge of economics and transportation. So, let me explain several things to you.
The Brawley School Rd. widening was on the TIP (Transportation Improvement Program) well before Mr. Brawley left office in 1998, and long before congestion had crippled the road. The TIP is a 5-7 year road construction plan and a road widening typically takes 6-12 months to plan. Now, Brawley School Rd. is still in the planning stage more than 8 years since it has been on the TIP (you can check for yourself at the NCDOT website). So, to answer your question I donÂ’t need to call the NCDOT to find out how hard Karen Ray is working for our roads. Not when I know one of the most important road widenings in Iredell County is still in planning. ThatÂ’s great we have more roads on the TIP, but I think I have already proven that if you donÂ’t have a representative who stays behind the project then it will stay on the TIP for years.
I am quite aware of trickle down economics. However, a dead weight loss occurs when it is when it is applied only to one industry and not all businesses. Tax breaks for all businesses or for the population are good as long as the government has a balanced budget, but when certain industries are favored, the market becomes flawed. When one industry receives more tax breaks than another resources are inefficiently allocated because that industry is given an artificial advantage. What I am saying is that you can hurt a regional economy by specifically favoring a sector. I wonÂ’t go into the specifics, but it if you care to do a little research you may want to learn about allocative efficiency. In lay terms, it is what makes capitalism better than socialism or communism.
The stretch of I-77 in Mecklenburg County that has been 6-laned has a much higher ADT (Average Daily Traffic) than I-77 in Iredell County. Congestion is a function of ADT and road capacity. So, quite simply 6-laning I-77 in Iredell County will solve our interstate congestion problems.
Motorsports is a prominent business because it is an entertainment business. You were right to point out that businesses from separate sectors can become interrelated and have a synergistic effect for one another. However, you are sadly mistaken as to the share of our countyÂ’s income that is derived from Motorsports. You are right, Iredell County is not growing as much corn anymore and we have moved away from textiles, but according to a 2002 economic census of Iredell County, (http://www.census.gov/econ/census02/data/nc/NC097.HTM) about $5.3 billion of Iredell CountyÂ’s economy is wholesale trade, retail trade, real estate, professional services, healthcare, and others. Manufacturing consists of another $5.4 billion which includes $489 million that comes from food, textiles, and wood manufacturing. So, of Iredell CountyÂ’s roughly $10.7 billion economy, $4.9 billion comes from the manufacture of plastics and rubber, nonmetallic mineral products, primary metal, fabricated metal, machinery, and transportation equipment which includes NGK Ceramics, and the racing industry. So, is the racing industry an important part of Iredell CountyÂ’s economy? Sure it is. Is it the end all be all you make it out to be? No.
Robert Brawley was a part of easing our transition away from agriculture and textiles into growth the growth of manufacturing, racing, and wholesale. (DonÂ’t forget his participation in the Race Park and the South Iredell Industrial Park) What Karen Ray has done is pick one prominent industry and make it her baby while neglecting our infrastructure and the continued growth of other industries. You may depend specifically on Motorsports for you livelihood, but you are not everyone.
As far as Ms. Crews intelligence is concerned I can say one thing. She does research her opinions before she posts them on the Internet. You would benefit from following her example.
Sincerely,
David Goebelt
Posted by: David Goebelt at April 17, 2006 10:06 PM (hDhjf)
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I just tried the link I provided. It doesn't work to click, you have to copy and paste it into the address bar.
Posted by: David Goebelt at April 17, 2006 10:10 PM (hDhjf)
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David, Good luck trying to sway voters. I'll talk to you after the election.
Posted by: happugolucky at April 17, 2006 11:08 PM (FcM9f)
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Mr. or Mrs. happygolucky,
Thank you. I wish you well, also.
Sincerely,
David Goebelt
Posted by: David Goebelt at April 17, 2006 11:25 PM (hDhjf)
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And thank you once again, everyone, for the "lively" discussion!
Posted by: Ogre at April 18, 2006 12:35 AM (2eMZT)
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I couldn't go away without setting Carole straight. Yes, we have many manufacturing and non-manufacturing jobs. On the manufacturing jobs, what exact description do you think building and maintaining race cars falls under? Wouldn't happen to be manufacturing would it? How many support companies to racing do you think fall under manufacturing? How many retail companies benefit from the LARGE population of racing employees here? I can go on and on but I guess you would just argue your point to no end without any real purpose. And another thing, we as Iredell county are competing against other counties in this state to keep those jobs so that we do not lose them from our local economy.
Also, I did some investigating into our representatives company that you claim benefits greatly from racing in this area. It is but a minute amount of the total business of her company. Over 60% of the business goes to exports, in lay terms Carole, that means overseas. Got it? So there is not much benefit as I see it here.
So where is the all talk and no walk? You think because you send in a letter to the editor it makes you walk the walk? I dont't think so. You seem to have an obvious perfect answer (obviously I'm being sarcastic) to every claim so there is obviously no point in bickering back and forth with you. Oh yeah, and I never did hear back from you on the claim about the newspapers being so dishonest, especially when they are the first area of local press Robert runs to? I hope you can back peddle on that one too and come up with some crazy explanation as to your reasoning. If Robert didn't mean what he said in ALL of his quotes, I guess he should have said what he did mean and it wouldn't be so misconstrued.
Posted by: happygolucky at April 18, 2006 03:07 PM (Fcu6X)
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I have to tell you happy (although you don't seem to respond to my comments too much), I'm STRONGLY opposed to "competition" between counties. I'm MUCH more in favor of a FREE market. Government should NOT pick and choose which industries and businesses they will support -- that's wrong in a free country. Why don't they give me money for my business? I can bring jobs to Iredell County.
Simply make a good climate for business and that's it.
It is NOT government's job to promote or create businesses or jobs. It is government's job to protect people. If government shrinks, that's OKAY. If the town doesn't grow by 20%, government shouldn't care one bit. If all of Nascar jumps up and leaves for South Dakota, government shouldn't even try and stop them! That is NOT government's job at all -- that's communism.
Posted by: Ogre at April 18, 2006 03:13 PM (/k+l4)
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Ah Ogre, but you can't bring jobs, that is the point. And what are incentives, a good climate to keep them here. And if the left to go to South Dakota we should try and keep them, by offering them incentives to stay, it is good for our economy here. So I did respond to your comment and I see you have some Robert Brawley in you "communism".
So you should not even be poking your nose in this because you are not supposed to be biased here. Maybe you are rRobert Brawley trying to run a blog. Sure sounds like it.
Posted by: happygolucky at April 18, 2006 04:27 PM (Fcu6X)
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Well, happy, you certainly lost any credibility you might have had left. I have no business poking my nose in here? Hello? Do you have a clue? I'm the one giving you this platform so you can speak!
I'm not supposed to be biased? Well, I was trying to get some facts to make a decision -- NO ONE is "unbiased." I am HUGELY biased -- against stupid people, dumb ideas, and anything that's opposed to freedom.
Posted by: Ogre at April 18, 2006 04:36 PM (/k+l4)
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Dear Bloggers-
I was recently informed of this site just yesterday. I had heard of the discussions taking place and decided I should check them out for myself.
While you all are highly entertaining I would like you to know my opinion as well. First, I want to start by saying it is up to you who you vote for and I am in no way trying to sway or push my ideas on anyone.
Having said that I have known the Brawley family for a life time. By the way did I happen to mention that I am Robert Brawley's niece? The Brawley family goes back in history further than most of the families here in Mooresville. That makes us extremely rooted in North Carolina History. As am sure you can deduct from that by having such a rich history that we have a very close family.
Robert Brawly while being in politics, which is not my cup of tea, is a family man. I can assure anyone that he deeply cares about our history and our future. Robert Brawley knows what North Carolina needs. He knows the families in this area and he has lived here for a lifetime.
I want to also point out the professionalism of people on my Uncle Roberts campaign. Was it not mentioned that Karen Ray did not even show up for a debate? That just seems cowardly. Is it not also true that anyone may contact Robert and ask him questions? I haven't seen Karen Ray open up her home and heart like a true caring candidate should. It would seem on these facts along that Robert Brawley cares about us!
Furthermore, to add one more comment, David Gobelt is obviously a strong believer in Robert. I have not seen a "whipping girl/boy" who cared enough about Karen Rays cause. On that note I want to say that no one has asked David to do all the work he is doing and I am sure that his family appreciates all of his support.
So I ask you... would it not be possible for you to make your comments out of care and concern for our town and our state, not out of lack of character?
Thank you- Together We Can- Together We Are.
Posted by: Morgan at April 18, 2006 06:17 PM (t17oj)
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Thanks very much for stopping by, Morgan! You're certainly welcome to your opinion, as that's what blogs and comments are all about. But of course, anyone would be a bit more than surprised if you didn't support your uncle -- especially in a close-knit community like Mooresville.
And I do often wonder if all the things in Mooresville with the Brawley name (like Brawley school road) can all be traced to some of Robert's family...
Posted by: Ogre at April 18, 2006 06:24 PM (/k+l4)
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Ogre-
Yes, it can all be traced back if you go back far enough. I will give you the shortest of the long story!
In 1771 two brothers moved over here to America. The originally were in Pennsylvania and soon fought in the revolutionary war. Soon after that they came and settled right here in North Carolina.
The Brawley School Road and most Brawley named places out towards the lake are the other Brawley brotherÂ’s family.
It is also true that because we arrived in America before the war and Declaration of Independence that we are settlers and not immigrants. Which makes the Brawley's an originally United States of America family!
Posted by: Morgan at April 18, 2006 06:36 PM (t17oj)
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Oh, it's the "other" Brawleys, is it? This sounds like Cain and Abel... (I'm just kidding around now...)
Posted by: Ogre at April 18, 2006 06:40 PM (/k+l4)
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Mr. or Mrs. happygolucky,
Do you think that by continuing to insult Carole Crews instead of responding to my post you have somehow negated my lengthy exposition of economic data. Perhaps you should re-read my last post until you develop an understanding of what it says and then post a coherent rebuttal.
I would also recommend that you spend some time researching different forms of government within the context of history. Then you may understand Ogre’s use of the word “communism.” When conservatives allude to communism in reference to government policy, they are reminding those with more liberal values that while a certain policy that may seem to have immediately beneficial ramifications it actually is a compromise of our freedom and a step towards making our own government more powerful and consequently more dangerous.
Sincerely,
David Goebelt
Posted by: David Goebelt at April 18, 2006 08:35 PM (IKgKR)
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If anyone is interested, here is a link in reference to one of the earlier accusations against Robert Brawley. It is a letter from then Republican Speaker of the House Harold Brubaker.
http://www.robertbrawley.com/BrubakerLetter.html
Posted by: David Goebelt at April 18, 2006 08:39 PM (IKgKR)
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Well! I missed a lot since my last visit!
Ogre - great comments on the role of our government. I agree.
Happy - you've really got to get a new fake name that's more descriptive. You're the one who said there's no point in bickering back and forth with me, so what'd you come back for??!
How convenient that you are aware I wrote a letter to the editor of the Tribune. Guess why you know that.. because I try not to say anything I wouldn't be willing to say to your face. Therefore, I sign my name. My letter was about what a moron Ted Kennedy is. Are you a Ted wannabe? Is that why you are cross with me? If you are, someone please call Happy some professional help.
I have the list of the top employers here. Got it from the N.C. web. You can get it by county, by state, whatever. But I'm not going to give you anymore factual information. I'm tired of people giving you real information, and then you dancing around all over other stuff based on rumor and unfounded opinion. If you really cared what the true info was, you would go look it up like I did.
Posted by: carole crews at April 18, 2006 10:11 PM (tCoUw)
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Well, it sure looks like Mr. Brawley didn't support Jim Black that year, doesn't it?
Shall we go to the more recent years?
10/25/2004:THE RICHARD MORGAN CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE 570 PINEHURST SOUTH PINEHURST, NC 28374: $4000.00
6/1/2004 DANNY MCCOMAS CAMPAIGN PO BOX 2274 WILMINGTON, NC 28402: $4000.00
I'm certainly not impressed with the recent company Ms. Ray keeps...
Posted by: Ogre at April 18, 2006 10:34 PM (2eMZT)
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Mr. Ogre,
Interesting facts. I do just want to make it clear however, to everyone else, that these recent contributions are not from Robert Brawley.
I did know that Karen Ray contributed to Richard Morgan's campaign, but I was not aware of her ties to Danny Mccomas. Thanks for your research Mr. Ogre.
Sincerely,
David Goebelt
Posted by: David Goebelt at April 19, 2006 01:52 AM (IKgKR)
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While I was digging, I found some other interesting facts. I'll be posting them on the top of the main page tomorrow (I'll try and remember to post a note here, too, linking to the new post).
Posted by: Ogre at April 19, 2006 02:06 AM (2eMZT)
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Take a peek:
http://ogresview.mu.nu/archives/172525.php
Posted by: Ogre at April 19, 2006 03:32 PM (/k+l4)
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Hello everyone, Definitely some lively conversation going on in here. I guess both sides make very valid points but because of each sides ideaology it makes for a clash. I would definitely say for myself after reading up on the issues that both are conservatives. One more on the center of the conservative side and the other on the very far right and I don't think I need to describe which candidate is which.
As far as getting things done for our area, I would say that the one more on the center right could definitely get more accomplished for our area becase they are able to work better with those on the other side thus getting an easier agreement.
I was born here, moved away in 1995, got married, moved back in 2003. I can honestly say myself that there has been much more improvement here from 2003 to the present than from all my growing up years until the time I moved away.
The real thing to me here is who can get it done in Raleigh for our area and I think that we have a great representative now that does a great job at getting it done.
Just my two cents.
Posted by: Gail Johns at April 19, 2006 07:57 PM (L7oww)
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Haha, did everyone see the letter today from the bitter RB Sloan? How funny, a bitter guy who loses an election trying to speak out for another bitter guy who has lost his past two elections and only ever won an election because he never had a worthy opponent. First time he did, he lost!!!
Posted by: happygolucky at April 19, 2006 10:01 PM (FcM9f)
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Ms. Johns,
What exactly has Karen Ray done to promote "improvement" in this area?
I used to debate with a co-worker about which President was responsible for our nationÂ’s explosive growth in the 90s. The truth is that the government can hinder growth or create an environment in which growth can flourish, but it is never directly responsible for the growth, if it is a free economy.
Clinton was not responsible for the growth in the 90s. If he takes credit for it he is relying on the ignorance of the people. However, credit for the national growth of that period belongs with Reagan and Bush, who did help create an environment for business.
Elected officials often inherit the economy from their predecessor. When an elected official helps to create an environment for growth, the growth does not happen overnight. It is a gradual process as businesses realign themselves to increase production or new businesses are started.
In our local situation, you should thank Robert Brawley for working with other government officials to create a positive environment for growth in our community by helping to develop infrastructure, the Race Park, and the South Iredell Industrial Park. It would be a bit far fetched to say that Karen Ray (elected 2002) was responsible for the growth you saw in 2003 or even today.
As far as Karen Ray’s political orientation is concerned, I thought she was running a “solid conservative” platform. If she is more liberal than Robert Brawley then she should say so.
Sincerely,
David Goebelt
Posted by: David Goebelt at April 19, 2006 10:24 PM (IKgKR)
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Happy, speaking of bitter?
Posted by: David Goebelt at April 19, 2006 10:25 PM (IKgKR)
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Hi David, Thanks for the information. However, I never said which I thought was more liberal than the other or more conservative than the other, so you are assuming. Look back up and you will see that, and I am not trying to me sarcastic at all.
Ah, and I am not pushing one or the other, my mind is made on who I am for. But, it is not true that someone can not make an immediate difference.
Posted by: Gail Johns at April 19, 2006 10:34 PM (FcM9f)
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Ms. Johns,
I am sorry but I did not assume, I responded to what your post implies. True, you did not say it directly, but what is the difference?
You said, “there has been much more improvement here from 2003 to the present.” The improvement years you speak of are when Karen Ray was in office. You contrast this statement by comparing it to when Robert Brawley was in office, “all my growing up years.” Clearly you are comparing the growth during their two terms. Think back to my earlier example. One could say that during the Clinton years the economy grew much quicker than during the Reagan years. Do you think a person that said such a thing would be attributing the Clinton years growth to Reagan or Clinton? Undoubtedly you are suggesting that Karen Ray was responsible for the “improvement,” during her tenure.
Then you say, “the one more on the center right could definitely get more accomplished.” You’ve shown based on the previous conclusion that you believe Karen Ray was responsible for getting “more accomplished,” then by this statement you show that you believe Karen Ray is on the “center right.”
You also said that one candidate is “center” conservative and one is “far right.” If you hold Karen Ray to be “center” conservative (center right) then by process of elimination you hold Robert Brawley to be “far right.” Center is more liberal than far right so you have written, though not explicitly, that Karen Ray is more liberal than Robert Brawley.
And obviously you support Karen Ray because you said, “we have a great representative now that does a great job at getting it done.”
Now that I have painstakingly exposed your seemingly intentionally ambiguous point of view, I would like to ask you a question. How do you think Karen Ray “does a great job at getting it done.” I am not being sarcastic either.
Sincerely,
David Goebelt
Posted by: David Goebelt at April 20, 2006 12:21 AM (IKgKR)
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Why does Karen Ray tell such tall tales... is she a habitual liar? or is she just trying to hide something about her record or business activities?
Robert Brawley truly cares about this community. It is shameful that Karen Ray continues to take the low road in her campaign. Would she recognize an important issue if she saw it.... probably not unless it would help line her pocketbook or give her free tickets and rides in private jets to races.
Posted by: Brad Hall at April 20, 2006 02:58 AM (Ffvoi)
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Once again, thank you all for coming by and contributing to this discussion!
Gail, I'll just let you know my position on what you posted. Feel free to stop by my main page (follow the link at the faaaaar top of this page or at the bottom) and you'll see more of my position that might make it more clear.
You say that you're interested in a politician who can "get it done in Raleigh." In my view, that is a very liberal position -- because it assumes that The People cannot get anything done without the help of government. I am very strongly opposed to that view.
In addition, the Democrats currently rule the General Assembly with an iron fist. If you dare to disagree with them, you will be severely punishing. Punishment may consist of a smaller office, broken phones, smaller office budgets, etc. So, if you're getting things done today in Raleigh, you're only able to do that if you strongly agree with the liberal Democrats who run that place. Again, I disagree.
Clearly both candidate are running as conservatives. They both claim to be strong conservatives -- because they know that only a conservative can win in that district. However, check out the spending in this post: http://ogresview.mu.nu/archives/172525.php
Actions speak louder than words, and that sort of spending does not say "conservative" to me.
So yes, I'd rather have a conservative legislator that represents MY interests than one who can "get things done" -- when those things are Liberal Democrat ideas.
And indeed, Happy, if that's not the pot calling the kettle black, I don't know what is!
Posted by: Ogre at April 20, 2006 12:39 PM (/k+l4)
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HappyGoLucky reminds me of this insane person I booted off of my blog earlier this month.
David - go get 'em. By the way, are you the same David Goebelt that went to FACS in Concord? If so, give me a shout sometime (head over to my blog for contact info)
Posted by: Justin Thibault at April 20, 2006 05:01 PM (FWvKf)
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Happy, based on his/her comments here, just seems to be a very angry person.
Posted by: Ogre at April 20, 2006 05:39 PM (/k+l4)
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Kind of ironic that his/her name is Happy Go Lucky then, huh?
Random off the subject comment
Posted by: Morgan at April 20, 2006 10:16 PM (m7s9z)
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Incredibly, I think that's been pointed out to him/her a few times in this thread already...
Posted by: Ogre at April 21, 2006 11:21 AM (/k+l4)
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See who the NRA chooses as their candidate (link below).
http://www.nrapvf.org/elections/State.aspx?State=NC
Posted by: anonymous at April 26, 2006 11:19 PM (FcM9f)
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Both these canidates appear to be throwing mud at each other which is not needed in this Republican district. Morresville being a bedroom community of Charlotte needs the light rail to grow in the correct direction. I just can not see why these candidats do not see this. As gas go to $3/gallon and then to $4/gal maybe some light will be shed on the subject. Also, what would each candidate do about making NC drivers licience as counterfit proof as the new $20 bill. Why is English not the language in NC?
Posted by: Bill Steinmiller at April 27, 2006 12:50 AM (NX6ch)
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More on our representative
http://www.lifetree.org/2003-2004_NC_House_Members.html
Posted by: anonymous at April 27, 2006 01:12 AM (FcM9f)
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Even more!!
http://www.ncdoj.com/DocumentStreamerClient?directory=PressReleases/&file=House%20approves%20ID%20theft%20bill.pdf
Posted by: anonymous at April 27, 2006 01:14 AM (FcM9f)
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Here is some more information
http://www.wral.com/news/7592027/detail.html
Posted by: anonymous at April 27, 2006 01:23 AM (FcM9f)
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And by the way folks, all the House Bills were co-sponsored by our Honorable Representative Ray.
Posted by: anonymous at April 27, 2006 02:16 AM (FcM9f)
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I don't see what you point of linking is here anonymous. All of these bills -any decent person would agree with. If you put them on a ballot they would be overwhelmingly passed by the public.
You still have the bill Karen Ray sponsored that gives the tax break to Nascar owners for their planes. You willing to speculate what that result would be if put on a ballot??
Represent the people, not one industry.
And Bill S. - I don't know where you are, but there hasn't been any mud coming from Mr. Brawley's hands towards anybody. That method has been patented by Karen Ray at this point.
Posted by: carole crews at April 27, 2006 12:38 PM (tCoUw)
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I just noticed anonymous said the "honorable" Karen Ray... HAAAA!!! that's funny. There is no honor is how she has acted in this campaign. Slander, spinning, and lies make me embarrassed that she represents my district. Nope, no honor there.
Posted by: carole crews at April 27, 2006 12:42 PM (tCoUw)
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Okay Carole Culberson Crews, The NRA sure does like her more than Mr. Brawley and she stands more firm on issues that a strong conservative would stand on than does Mr. Brawley. I don't know where your freakish and outlandish attitude comes from but in case you do not know (I know you do know), Robert started all the slander with you and David Gobelt. It's just as shame that the candidate that you support will have to spend the last week of his campaign trying and trying to explain away his quotes and his stances on issues.
Posted by: anonymous at April 27, 2006 01:53 PM (txQlC)
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Anonymous - it's too bad your interpretation of hearing the truth is wrongly identified as slander. But that's what usually happens to people who don't want to hear the truth, they'll just call it "bad" instead of having the intelligence to comprehend more than one side of the facts.
Robert Brawley had absolutely no part in my comments, so don't make another false accusation about what Robert has done. That's all you have done this whole time. I think for myself.
Don't assume you know where my opinions orginate. How bout you have an original opinion for once? Instead of just hearing a couple people's views and figuring you know what's going on, do some thinking, some investigating.
Or are you Karen yourself? What is the deal - really with your anonimity?
And just what are you trying to accomplish by calling me my full name?? Did you get that off the voter registration list? That's how it't listed. Or do you know me? Either way, I don't know why I asked you what your point is, you never have one.
Posted by: carole crews at April 27, 2006 04:05 PM (tCoUw)
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Anonymous, I think it is interesting that only the supporters of Robert Brawley sign their comments. Anyone who hides behind "anonymous" is a coward as far as I am concerned. I think it is interesting that you addressed Carole as Carole Culberson Crews when she never used her maiden name in any of her correspondence. Regardless of what any candidate stands for, there is no excuse for the campaign that Karen has waged. Frankly, I'm surpised. I grew up here and I have a great love for this community and its people. I think one reason that we have such a poor turnout when it's time to vote is that people are just tired of the negative campaigns we have seen in Mooresville in the past few years. Candidates spend too much time and money talking negatively about their opponents rather than concentrating on the positive things they believe they can do for our community. I believe voter turnout would be so much better if candidates stuck to what they believe they can do for our community and not so much time being negative about other candidates.
Posted by: Pat Culberson at April 27, 2006 04:16 PM (Omg7V)
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Mr. Steinmiller,
What mud has Mr. Brawley been slinging? The only claims he has made have been verified by Karen Ray. The misinformation campaign Karen Ray is waging is quite a different story. There are outright lies and misleading information. All of the legislation Mr. Brawley is faulted for opposing was sponsored by liberal Democrats.
Sincerely,
David Goebelt
Posted by: David Goebelt at April 27, 2006 04:29 PM (22i1h)
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Mr. or Mrs. Happygolucky/anonymous,
I guess everyone has noticed the commercials where Karen Ray accuses Robert Brawley of voting for Jim Black.
Here is the role call vote from 1997 proving Robert Brawley did not vote for Jim Black. He voted for Republican Brubaker.
http://www.robertbrawley.com/BrawleyVote.html
Another interesting tidbit. Karen Ray did the very thing she is falsly accusing Mr. Brawley of doing. In 2004 HR 1 she voted for Jim Black as speaker of the house. Ironic isn't it.
http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/gascripts/voteHistory/MemberVoteHistory.pl?sSession=2005&nMMUserID=458&sChamber=H
I hope no one thinks I smearing Karen Ray by exposing these facts. I'm just trying to unsmear Mr. Brawley.
Sincerely,
David Goebelt
Posted by: David Goebelt at April 28, 2006 03:54 AM (IKgKR)
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Concerned Voters,
Here is a link to untangle Karen Ray's misinformation campaign.
http://www.robertbrawley.com/TheRealStory.html
Sincerely,
David Goebelt
Posted by: David Goebelt at April 29, 2006 02:33 AM (IKgKR)
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Re: NRA -- they ALWAYS endorse every single incumbent unless the politician is openly hostile to them -- ALWAYS.
As for the light rail -- it's crap, plain and simple. It's a HUGE waste of money everywhere it's put in. Charlotte doesn't have anywhere NEAR the population density to support it -- it will cost tons and tons of cash forever.
Indeed, I've collected all the campaign material that's been mailed out by both campaigns. Nearly everything, with one exception, of Ray's materials has been full of attacks on Mr. Brawley. She is NOT a conservative by any definition of the word -- no matter what her campaign materials might say.
Posted by: Ogre at May 01, 2006 12:37 AM (blszc)
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Yeah, you know it all OGRE
Posted by: anonymous at May 01, 2006 03:54 PM (FcM9f)
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Hey, facts are facts, no matter who admits them.
Posted by: Ogre at May 01, 2006 03:57 PM (/k+l4)
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Hey anonymous, don't you have a spiffy explanation for why Karen Ray would vote for Jim Black?
Especially after her ads are so intent on connecting Robert Brawley with Black back in the last century, how indicative of Ray's politics is her yes vote for Black just last year?
Posted by: carole crews at May 01, 2006 04:32 PM (HWl2j)
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Hey Carole, Actually I read that bill and that was a vote for power sharing.
Posted by: anonymous at May 01, 2006 05:26 PM (txQlC)
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For those of you who do not know what POWER SHARING is it's when you trade your vote to the Democrats to become Vice Chair Of Appropriations. I agree with Ogre LOOK AT THE FACTS. VOTE ROBERT BRAWLEY MAY 2ND!
Posted by: Jennifer at May 01, 2006 07:18 PM (IKgKR)
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Hey Jennifer, The "facts" Ogre was speaking of were on the NRA issue. Power sharing is simply what is says and has nothing to do with becoming a chair, vice-chair or anything else on any commission. Thanks for showing that you have no clue what you are talking about, and last but not least: VOTE KAREN RAY MAY 2ND!!!!!!!
Posted by: anonymous at May 01, 2006 09:10 PM (FcM9f)
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Hey, I think everyone should read this to see what Harold Brubaker himself says about Robert Brawley. Oh Ogre, David, and Carole and all the other supporters of Robert here will love this one.
http://www.mooresvilletribune.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=MOT/MGArticle/MOT_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1137835697168
Posted by: Gail Johns at May 01, 2006 10:12 PM (FcM9f)
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Anonymous, I am ref. the question from Ms. Crews. Don't you have a spiffy explanation for why Karen Ray would vote for Jim Black? Your answer to HER was, Actually I read that bill and that was a vote for power sharing. You can call it what you want. I believe earlier in the blog when you were talking about Mr. Brawley voting for Jim Black you called it "TURN COAT". But I guess now that the FACTS are out and we all know he voted for Brubaker and Mrs. Ray actually voted for JIM BLACK it's called POWER SHARING. Wow, funny how that works. By the way there were 4 "Power Sharing" votes for JIM BLACK that day (1/26/05) from Mrs. Ray. As far as power sharing having nothing to do with becoming a chair, vice-chair or anything else on any commission have you ever heard of you scratch my back I'll scratch yours thats exactly the way it works.
Posted by: Jennifer at May 01, 2006 10:15 PM (IKgKR)
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Hey Jennifer (Susan), Take a look at the article I just posted. Maybe you will better understand what type of politician you are supporting. Harold Brubaker says it all there. He agrees totally with what Karen Ray has brought to light about Robert Brawley. People need to know how selfish he is and what other Republicans think of him which is also pointed out in Frank Mitchell's "blackmail terrorist". It is very funny that Ogre supports one candidate that would call another that he supports a "blackmail terrorist".
Posted by: Gail Johns at May 01, 2006 10:31 PM (FcM9f)
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Here, I'll post it here:
Ray, however, said that Brawley’s vote for Brubaker was merely the result of getting what he wanted from the GOP. “He held the party hostage until he got what he wanted…He cut one deal, then he went back and cut another one. The story of his life in politics,” she said.
Former Speaker Harold Brubaker, who spoke to the Tribune in a conference call with Ray, said that securing BrawleyÂ’s vote required chartering a plane to Mooresville and agreeing to support BrawleyÂ’s bid for speaker pro tem, a position that he did not receive.
“Karen said it all. The fact that I made a trip to Mooresville to talk to him – he made some demands on the caucus, and the caucus finally agreed to do (what he requested),” said Brubaker.
Brubaker also said that Ray had done “an excellent job in Raleigh and the voters in her district need her return.”
Posted by: Gail Johns at May 01, 2006 10:34 PM (FcM9f)
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Some more of the article: he and his refers to Robert Brawley
“These are the same tactics he used the last time. He filed a lengthy complaint with the state board and he had no cause. He continues to run and hide from his own record and his own past….He has been called by our party…the “Dr. Kevorkian” of the GOP. Frank Mitchell referred to him as a “blackmail terrorist.”
Posted by: Gail Johns at May 01, 2006 10:36 PM (FcM9f)
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Hey Gail(Karen & Phil), Focus on the Facts, Robert Brawley did not vote for Jim Black. However Karen Ray did vote for Jim Black Period. Good luck tomorrow.
Posted by: Jennifer at May 01, 2006 11:03 PM (22i1h)
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Hey Susan, I do not know who Phil or Karen are (unless you are referring to Karen Ray and I do know her) but I will assure you that I am neither. The facts are clear as you say, it's clear that Robert Brawley can be bought for a cheap price and he is out for himself, not the party or his constituents. Good luck yourself tomorrow
Posted by: Gail Johns at May 01, 2006 11:16 PM (FcM9f)
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Well, still, nobody has offered why Karen Ray supported Jim Black - for whatever issue. Not even Ray herself.
How can the Tribune have a con call with her on the phone and not get a comment about that??
Here again, more attempts to turn the attention to someone else when you don't have anything to say for yourself. This sure is getting old.
Posted by: carole crews at May 02, 2006 12:18 AM (tCoUw)
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And what the heck is with stating with credibility some name calling of "he said, she said" per Karen Ray as quoted in the newspaper??? As if she would actually offer real facts for the first time.
Posted by: carole crews at May 02, 2006 12:23 AM (tCoUw)
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Hello. I have spent nearly two hours reading the posts on this blog, and I have to point out the obvious. I know that it is unlikely that anyone will read this before going to the polls tomorrow, but here are some facts: Karen Ray has called Robert Brawley a “communist”, “Dr. Kevorkian”, and a “blackmail terrorist”. She has displayed his picture along side Joseph Stalin on mail sent directly to area residents. I mean… I don’t know if her behavior could be any nastier or less appropriate. Maybe she could have called him satan. That would be worse, but just a smidge. I might be simple, but character matters to me when making my decision-- and Karen Ray has shown a lack of it in this campaign.
Posted by: Emily Valenti at May 02, 2006 02:39 AM (8ZK7w)
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Thanks for stopping by, Emily. Indeed, you have spotted the campaign strategy employed by Karen Ray -- the same one the Democrats normally use nationally -- do something wrong, then repeat over and over again that your opponent actually did that. If you opponent points out that YOU are the one who did it, deny, deny, deny.
Posted by: Ogre at May 02, 2006 11:32 AM (/k+l4)
Posted by: Gail Johns at May 03, 2006 02:24 AM (FcM9f)
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Emily, It's clear that you din't read everything thoroughly, 'He has been called by our party... the "Dr. Kevorkian" of the GOP. Frank Mitchell referred to him as a "blackmail terriorist".
No where in those quotes does Karen refer to him as either, she is quoting what others have said.
Posted by: anonymous at May 03, 2006 11:49 PM (5VSwX)
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Anonymous,
Quoting others calling someone a name is no better than calling them that name yourself. So, whether Karen Ray was quoting others who called Robert Brawley those names or called him those things herself, she is still on the same name calling level you have been on this entire blog.
An upstanding politician stands on a platform for what they plan to do for the community. An upstanding politician does not spend thousands of dollars to call someone names and spread misinformation.
Sincerely,
David Goebelt
Posted by: David Goebelt at May 04, 2006 12:49 AM (IKgKR)
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Indeed, anonymous, if you're not employed by the Ray campaign or the Democrat party, you should seek employment -- you know their strategy of name-calling and denial all too well.
Posted by: Ogre at May 04, 2006 10:20 AM (blszc)
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Hey Ogre, Actually, I just like messing with people who are so hard headed they can't seem to open their mind to anything else. Besides, this whole blog was set-up as a place for RB supporters to voice their opinion and god forbid if anyone tried to come here and say otherwise. RB is no angel, never will be. That is why he lost. If anyone that is a good candidate in the eyes of the majority of the people runs against him, he loses, even in a conservative district. So be it if you and all the others here has their view of what a perfect candidate should be, but the people have spoken and the candidate that you supported and that others here supported was turned down again by the majority.
And Ogre, trust me, I do not need employment from anyone as I do quite well for myself. That is why I am a republican not to mention my stances on issues. Maybe in the coming years with the rate your success is going, my tax dollars will be paying to keep a roof over your head.
Posted by: anonymous at May 04, 2006 05:11 PM (txQlC)
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Wow.
From your posts, anonymous, I realized that you were very closed minded and uninformed. But this last one really takes the cake. You actually do believe this blog was set up for Robert Brawley. I'm just at a total loss for a way to express your utter cluelessness.
Based on that, it's not even worth it to really continue any conversation with you, sorry.
Posted by: Ogre at May 04, 2006 05:49 PM (/k+l4)
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Thought everyone would like this one. It's good stuff!!!
Subj: Very good American making a great observation!
WHAT SENATOR JOHN GLENN SAID :
Things that make you think a little:
There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq in January.
In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the
month of January. That's just one American city,
about as deadly as the entire war-torn country of Iraq.
When some claim that President Bush shouldn't
have started this war, state the following:
a. FDR deceptively led us into World War II.
b. Germany never attacked us; Japan did.
From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost ..
an average of 112,500 per year.
c. Truman finished that war and started one in Korea.
North Korea never attacked us.
From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost ...
an average of 18,334 per year.
d. John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962.
Vietnam never attacked us .
e. Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire.
From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost ..
an average of 5,800 per year.
f. Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent.
Bosnia never attacked us.
He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three
times by Sudan and did nothing.
Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.
(If I'm not mistaken, all the Presidents highlighted above are of the Democrat Persuasion !!!!)
g. In the years since terrorists attacked us, President Bush
has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled
al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran, and North
Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who
slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.
The Democrats are complaining
about how long the war is taking.
But
It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno
to take the Branch Davidian compound.
That was a 51-day operation.
We've been looking for evidence for chemical weapons
in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find
the Rose Law Firm billing records.
It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the
Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard
than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his
Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick
It took less time to take Iraq than it took
to count the votes in Florida!!!!
Our Commander-In-Chief is doing a GREAT JOB !
The Military morale is high!
The biased media hopes we are too ignorant
to realize the facts
But Wait there's more!
JOHN GLENN (ON THE SENATE FLOOR)
Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:13
Some people still don't understand why military personnel
do what they do for a living. This exchange between
Senators John Glenn and Senator Howard Metzenbaum
is worth reading. Not only is it a pretty impressive
impromptu speech, but it's also a good example of one
man's explanation of why men and women in the armed
services do what they do for a living.
This IS a typical, though sad, example of what
some who have never served think of the military.
Senator Metzenbaum (speaking to Senator Glenn):
"How can you run for Senate
when you've never held a real job?"
Senator Glenn (D-Ohio):
"I served 23 years in the United States Marine Corps.
I served through two wars. I flew 149 missions.
My plane was hit by anti-aircraft fire on 12 different
occasions. I was in the space program. It wasn't my
checkbook, Howard; it was my life on the line. It was
not a nine-to-five job, where I took my tie off to take the
daily cash receipts to the bank."
"I ask you to go with me ... as I went the other day.
to a veteran's hospital and look those men ..
with their mangled bodies in the eye, and tell THEM
they didn't hold a job!
You go with me to the Space Program at NASA and go,
as I have gone, to the widows and Orphans
of Ed White, Gus Grissom and Roger Chaffee...
and you look those kids in the eye and tell them
that their DADS didn't hold a job.
You go with me on Memorial Day and you stand in
Arlington National Cemetery, where I have more friends
buried than I'd like to remember, and you watch
those waving flags
You stand there, and you think about this nation,
and you tell ME that those people didn't have a job?
What about you?"
For those who don't remember ..
During W.W.II, Howard Metzenbaum was an attorney
representing the Communist Party in the USA.
Now he's a Senator !
If you can read this, thank a teacher.
If you are reading it in English thank a Veteran.
It might not be a bad idea to keep this circulating.
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