July 31, 2006
The North American Union, SPP, and NASCO: Erasing America's Borders
By Heidi at
Euphoric Reality
Our government has undertaken some monumental legislation that fully impacts the American way of life, our freedom, and our sovereignty. The purpose of such legislation is to homogenize Canada, Mexico, and the United States into a North American Union - and we're all going to sleep through it.
Have you heard of a little-known program called the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America? This tri-lateral partnership was signed by President Bush last year without Congressional oversight or public approval. Opponents of the SPP have called it NAFTA on steroids - and we all know how disastrous NAFTA has been for everyone except Mexico. It also appears to be modeled on the ineffective and highly unpopular European Union (unpopular with the people, that is).
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This web site has been doing research on the NAU. Some of the articles from their previous web site are archived at this location.
Excellent post! This information needs MUCH more attention.
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Thanks for the added links!
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Tarheel Tavern #75
This week's Tarheel Tavern is up at
Poetic Acceptance. Go have a read what bloggers from North Carolina are talking about. And if you're blogging from or about NC, please be sure to join in next week at
Billy the Blogging Poet.
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ADL Opposes Freedom of Speech
What do you know -- another group that claims to support freedom shows that they only support it when you agree with them. Abraham Foxman of the US Jewish Anti-Defamation League
wants a
criminal investigation into a person who dared to utter forbidden words, "Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world."
Really, that's all. He didn't say anything about killing them, he didn't say anything about wanting them dead. He didn't say anything else, at all, about them. But Mr. Foxman wants this person arrested and charged with a crime. Obviously Mr. Foxman is a strong supporter of punishing people who do not verbally agree with him.
Mr. Foxman, you are free to disagree with anyone you want. You are free to say nearly anything you like. However, when you advocate using the force of government to punish someone who merely makes a statement that you, personally, don't like, you are way out of line. You had better hope that there is no criminal punishment for freedom of speech -- for one day someone may be in power who disagrees with YOUR speech.
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It's coming from every direction. The policing of everything we say. I don't condone what Mel Gibson said...and he was drunk...but I sure as hell don't want him getting into any trouble for his speech.
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Teddy left a dead girl in the car, and his apology was accepted.
Posted by: Always On Watch at July 31, 2006 11:43 PM (wZLWV)
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And he didn't even say anything that bad! He just said that "Jews are the causes of all the wars!" If I said that "French are the causes of all the wars," what would happen? People would LAUGH! It doesn't make any sense, logically.
Posted by: Ogre at August 01, 2006 12:36 AM (o2crh)
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Mel wasn't that drunk. He only blew a 0.12. That's more like buzzed. He's free to say whatever he wants, even if it is crazy talk.
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That's a whole 'nuther issue. I honestly do not believe the police should have had any right to arrest him. I can see stopping him, as he was speeding, but 0.12 should NOT be a DUI as a person with that BAC is no more likely to cause an accident than a person with a 0.01 BAC.
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NC Legislature Done for the Year
Last week the North Carolina General Assembly finished their business for the year. That is, of course, unless they decide to hold a sudden, secret meeting to pass any legislation that needs to be passed secretly, as they did last year to slip the lottery through. The General Assembly is dominated and controlled by Democrats. They hold a majority in both chambers and if you dare disagree with them, you will be shunned, ignored, and attacked by them.
So, what accomplishments did the Democrats in the Legislature complete in this short, election year? Well, they started the session with $2 BILLION more of taxpayer money than they were supposed to have. In other words, the economy was so good in spite of the Democrats and their crushing of freedom, that we paid over $2 BILLION more than they expected.
So, what did they do? Hello? They're Democrats -- what do you THINK they did? They spent it. They spent every single dime of it. But oh, that wasn't enough, no! They also raised taxes on income and sales! They created brand-new taxes on things that had never been taxed before. They transferred money from the lottery to supplant previous expenditures from the general fund. They considered adding toll roads -- because they didn't spend any of that $2 Billion fixing the horrible roads we've got in North Carolina.
So, if you like higher taxes, more government, bigger government, less freedom, less control, more spending on education with zero results, and crappy roads, support your Democrat incumbent in the legislature at election time this fall -- that is, if you even have a choice on your ballot -- most districts do not.
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July 28, 2006
Gone Fishin'

Weekend fishing in the North Carolina Mountains.
See you all next week and thanks for stopping along!
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Sooooooooo Ahab..wherez da whaleeeeeeee?..lol.
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Hehe.
Nothing biting this weekend.
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Fun at Marine Boot Camp
Ah, Friday, time for some lighter fare. How about a Marine Corps Boot Camp joke?
his story was told to me by a friend and one of the most outstanding Marines I ever had the pleasure to serve with.
Joe Fuller served as a Marine Corps Drill Instructor, and as such, he too possessed the temperament typical of their breed -- always on the quest to find new, educational, and amusing ways to entertain their charges -- the unwary Marine Corps boot camp recruit.
Head detail (Latrine duty for you Doggies and Prop Heads) is something few escape during recruit training. It's pretty safe to say that after a head has been field-day'd by Marine recruits, you would be hard pressed to find a more sterile place this side of a hospital operating room.
Unless a bored, Marine Corps Drill Instructor is doing the inspecting!
As Joe tells it, failing to clean the head to the Drill Instructor's satisfaction the first time, and under the threat of facing their D.I.'s wrath should they fail inspection on the second try (there is no such thing as a third chance in boot camp) everything was checked and double checked before announcing that the head was now, finally, ready for inspection.
The Drill Instructor ordered the recruits to stand-by, directly outside of the head (and out of view) while he conducted what they knew would be an inspection on a microscopic level. The Drill Instructor had no doubts that the head was probably cleaner now then the date it was built. That situation was about to change.
Pulling a small container of peanut butter (chunky style) from his pocket, the Drill Instructor carefully placed a substantial amount of it under the rim (out of direct sight) of one of the commodes. In his deepest, scariest, and loudest voice, he let out a bellow, "HEAD DETAIL! GET YOUR ASSES IN HERE NOW!"
All three recruits came charging into the head, stopping a few feet from their obviously perturbed Drill Instructor and assuming the position of attention. In unison, with eyes rigidly locked above and beyond their D.I.'s face, all three yelled, "SIR, AYE AYE, SIR!"
"You scumbags call this a clean head?" The Drill Instructor demanded. Knowing that they scrubbed and disinfected every nook and cranny possible, twice, the only response they could offer was "Sir, Yes Sir!"
The Drill Instructor walked over to the prepared commode, reached on the rim with his fingers, and with as much dramatic flare as he could muster he thrust his hand forward at the recruits and said, "Then would you mind telling me what the hell this is!"
The recruits were far enough away not to clearly identify the chunky, brownish substance clinging to the Drill Instructor's fingers. Additionally, their present environment was lending a certain amount of authenticity to what was being held out before their eyes.
Not waiting for an answer, and watching the color disappear from their faces, The D.I. looked down at the brown glob and started the show.
"Well, then, if this head is so cleaned, this must not be what it looks like, right? Because it sure looks like CRAP to me, private!"
He could see that one recruit's body began to shake visibly, while the color in the faces of the two others was turning from pale white to a light green.
He then move his hand to his nose and inhaled the fragrance. With his best effort of a complete look of disgust on his face, he said, "This definitely smells like crap too, private!"
A look of terror began to show in the recruits' eyes as the Drill Instructor slowly lower his hand towards his mouth. Biting off a chunk of the brown mass, the D.I. offered, "And it damn sure tastes like crap, private!"
Two of the three recruits were unconscious on the floor and probably never heard the D.I.'s last assessment. The third continued to empty the contents of his stomach in the nearest commode as their fun-loving and entertaining Drill Instructor walked past him humming the Marine Corps Hymn.
Semper Fi!
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That is a bit interesting, but some how, I am not surprised that at this, and I am sure that more than one DI (including my old teacher from HS, was was a USAF DI) have done that.
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And yet the recruits keep falling for it...
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Heheheh... I can definitely picture at least one of my DI's doing that. Those guys were hilarious... although, you sure didn't let them know that.
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And they were so NOT hilarious when you were there!
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I remember one of our DI's thrashing this poor kid, and just ripping him a new one. The stuff he was saying was great, but no one laughed, until he started laughing himself.
Before you knew it, the classroom was full of sweating idiots...
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Oh, I remember those. He'd turn around and start yelling, "Dammit, who laughed? Did YOU laugh, private? One of you laughed, who was it?"
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Exactly... "I know I didn't just hear laughter. That sounded like a laugh... who did that private??? Was it you? Oh, you don't know? BEGIN!!!"
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It was either "Get down, now." Or "Okay, EVERYONE outside. Move it! Too slow, get back. Outside now!"
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NC Ethics "Reform"
Sometimes when I read an article about events in the North Carolina state government, I have a lot to say. However, sometimes the author of the article really says all that needs to be said. Senator Phil Burger
has such an article. It's regarding the new massive expenditure of taxpayer money that creates a new "commission" and gives it all sorts of power -- to spend taxpayer money without responsibility. In addition,
This “reform” fails to address the primary issue driving the public call for meaningful ethics reform and a more open legislative process.
Go
read it.
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July 27, 2006
Local Maine Blogging
I just was informed about a new blog that looks pretty darn interesting to me. It's the
Magic City Morning Star Blog. It's an online blog for the
Magic City Morning News, a small-town newspaper from Maine.
What's really neat is that this appears to be an independent press that is not liked by the government. Hey, just about anything that annoys the government is a good thing, so can you refuse taking a peek? It's completely new, but there's links to various videos of town meetings and government officials who really don't like being filmed.
I can relate, as I had a North Carolina Senator try and throw me out of the PUBLIC viewing gallery because I had a 35mm camera. He felt "threatened." Hey morons, if you're threatened by being held accountable for what you're doing, perhaps it's because what you're doing is wrong!
Anyway, go take a look!
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"Hey, just about anything that annoys the government is a good thing..."
I love your attitude. I wish more Americans shared it.
-- Own guns,
-- Heckle the town council, the school board, and the zoning board,
-- Dispute every tax assessment,
-- ...And always demand to see the warrant!
Posted by: Francis W. Porretto at July 27, 2006 10:49 PM (PzL/5)
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I do all those things and more! But I don't heckle the town council near enough. I need to do that more...
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Free For All
Well, this week, the suggested theme for The Tarheel Tavern (hosted at
Poetic Acceptance is nothing:
I'm calling it "Bar Brawl" and the theme is a free-for-all. In other words, no theme a'tall. I figure with this heat, we're all doing well just managing not to melt, I won't over work your brains too.
So, let's see what we can do with a theme of free for all:

Works for me.
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lmao one of your most endearing qualities is your smart ass sense of humor
Posted by: Erin Monahan at July 27, 2006 06:35 PM (fZYAo)
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If you're not having fun, what's the point?
Posted by: Ogre at July 27, 2006 06:47 PM (/k+l4)
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I found this on the net
LiberalsÂ….Oy Vey! A Little Humor For The Weekend
July 27, 2006
Vox Populi, The Rogue Jew
IÂ’m leaving for New York on Saturday for five days and before I leave I thought that I would put something up on the blog to bring a smile to your faces.
I guess I need somewhat of a break from the hate spewed daily by the Mainstream Media toward Israel and the Jewish People.
I hope some of the people from my shul read this post and take a long look at themselves and consider the reality of the people (Democrats) they support except of course the great Joe Lieberman who is the only Democrat with Balls as far as IÂ’m concerned.
Have a great weekend, see ya when I get back from Liberal Land USA.
How to tell if your a Liberal:
You think Janet Reno is hot.
You would rather see a cowboy smoke the baloney poney rather then a Marlboro.
If you think the New York Times is fair and balanced, but Fox News is ultra right-wingÂ…
You think Al Gore won the election in 2000.
If you think the Free Market is where they hand out Government cheese.
If you would accept a car ride from The Chappaquiddick Kid.
You look at Yassir Arafat as a “man of peace”.
If you think alcoholics are disabled and deserve Social Security (or should be elected to be the senior senator from Massachussettes)
If your five year old tells YOU what to do.
You cannot name one single NASCAR driver.
You are worried what the French think of America.
You think that consenting adults can engage freely in every activity except capitalism.
If you think Sean Hannnity and Ann Coulter are mean spirited racists and promote hate crimes, but Maxine Waters, John Conyers and Louis Farakahn arenÂ’t and donÂ’t.
If you think that the only acceptable hate crime is Christian bashing.
You think we never gave peace a chance.
Sean Penn makes sense to you. Awec Bawdwin makes even more sense.
You want to outlaw cigarettes and legalize marijuana.
If you use the words “xtians”, neo-con’s” or “wing-nuts” at least four times in any given day.
You say Have a Great Winter Solstice, Happy Kwankza, Merry Ramadan and think saying Merry Christmas is just wrong.
You think that the words “to promote the general welfare” in the Constitution mean to promote welfare generally.
You believe that even though the top 20 percent of taxpayers pay 80 percent of income taxes, that the rich are not paying their “fair share.”
You think that The Godfather’s listeners are mindless “dittoheads,” but you have never doubted anything that you heard from Michael Moore….
You believe that rich people should not be allowed to contribute so much money to candidates for office (except for George Soros)Â….
You have no problem with Hollywood movie starts flying around in private jets to give speeches on the evils of SUVsÂ….
If you believe Islamic Terrorists are Freedom Fighters and the Israeli Army are TerroristsÂ….
You believe its ok to punch a Police officer just because your BlackÂ….
You think the really alarming violence takes place outside the abortion clinic.
You would save a deer but kill a baby.
If you make snide remarks to guys for looking at women but champion ClintonÂ’s right to do whatever he wants with his interns.
You called Vietnam Veterans “baby killers” but think that allowing a woman to suck her baby into a sink is a constitutionally protected right.
You want to outlaw cigarrettes and legalize marijuana
You believe the National Rifle Association helps criminals while the American Civil Liberties Union protects the innocent.
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ACLU Hates Religion
Crossposted from
Stop The ACLU
Well it comes at no surprise to us at Stop The ACLU and Wide Awakes Radio that the American Civil Liberties Union is opposed to passage of H.R. 2679, the Public Expression of Religion Act of 2005.
A review of the bill is as follows:
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How can you say the ACLU hates religion when it is defending one of the must repugnant religious figures in the world: Fred Phelps?
If they are defending his right to freely speak his religious views, as radical as they are, then the ACLU is definitely not a hater of religion.
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Ohio Gays Oppose Free Speech
Well, at least that's what the gay Ohio group Equality Ohio
says:
We call on Blackwell to retract his statement and apologize for his remarks
In other words, if you speak your opinion, you should shut up -- unless, of course, you agree with them.. So, what horrible thing did
Ken Blackwell, candidate for Ohio governor in 2006 say?
I think homosexuality is a lifestyle, it's a choice, and that lifestyle can be changed. I think it's a transgression against God's law, God's will. The reality is again ... that we make choices all the time. And, I think you make good choices and bad choices in terms of lifestyle. Our expectation is that one's genetic makeup might make one more inclined to be an arsonist, or may make one more inclined to be a kleptomaniac. Do I think that can be changed? Yes.
So, according to the gays, he should be shut up. That's right, if you have an opinion that disagrees with the gay lobby, you are "divisive and offensive" and you should apologize, then shut up.
Sorry, faggots, in this country, at least so far, we've got freedom of speech. If I Ken Blackwell or I want to tell you that what you're doing is against God's law, we have a right to do that and zero obligation to "shut up." In fact, in a free country, you telling me to "shut up" is much more offensive and dangerous than me telling you that you've made a bad choice.
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Wow, so you have the freedom of speech to tell them they're faggots living against God's law, but they don't have the freedom of speech to ask you to take it back and say you're sorry...
Ah, now I understand the confusion; you must have gotten the Soviet version of the First Amendment. You should really update that to the American version, it's a bit more relevant. Gays have every right to tell bigots (or circus clowns for that matter) that they should apologize and take back their remarks.
And I have every right to tell you that you're a moron (which I am doing right now). And you have every right to tell me I'm an idiot fag-lover (which I expect in the near future). And, since it's your blog, you have every right to ban me. And I have every right to call you a moron on someone else's forum.
Ain't freedom grand?
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And I agree with everything you've said -- except the part about what the people in Ohio are doing. They instead are claiming that the person does not have the right to speak that way because he's an elected official. That's wrong, plain and simple.
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First, to our "brave" anonymous commenter, the gays in Ohio were not ASKING they ARE DEMANDING that he RETRACT his statement. What that means is that he would go on record officially saying his statement was wrong, thus going against his beliefs. The gay lobby does this ALL THE TIME, as does the atheist lobby. They sue because someone said being gay is a sin, and is NOT biological. They don't "ask you to take it back", they SUE YOU and DEMAND a full retraction.
Second, long time Ogre, how's tricks?
Posted by: Smokey at July 28, 2006 01:30 AM (DiOns)
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Indeed, Smokey, that's the distinction I'm trying to make.
Not bad, Smokey. I'm looking for some quizzes for ya... hope things are going well with you.
Posted by: Ogre at July 28, 2006 01:33 AM (o2crh)
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Ogre,
The kooks, crackpots, and nutcases over at BlueNC dedicated a thread about you:
http://www.bluenc.com/node/3135
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Thanks for the note.
How did I know this post would bring out the kooks who completely missed the entire point of the post?
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And I love when they call me a theocrat -- having never, ever, taken a position that government should enforce religious edicts on anyone, anywhere...except for supporting that whole "Thou Shalt Not Kill" thing.
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Wow, I went back and read that entire linked news article, and not once did I see where the gays were saying Blackwell had no Constitutional or legal right to say what he did, nor where they threatened to sue. In fact, I haven't seen any such case where a person was sued by the "gay lobby" for saying homosexuality is a sin. Could you please reference a reliable source, Smokey?
Now, I did read that Equality Ohio said that this kind of speech was unacceptable from a public official. I agree with them--it would be equally unacceptable if he said straight people were all child molesters, or that epileptics are just trying to get attention. Sure, he has a legal right to say it, but it's not acceptable for him to say, no matter how much he believes it. A person who said such things shouldn't be elected to any post (which is, of course, the entire motive of Equality Ohio--to ensure that someone who says and believes such things doesn't get elected).
And Smokey, if it offends you that I post under the name "anonymous" instead of under a clever but equally anonymous handle (like, oh say, Smokey), then you can just suck it up and deal.
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By "demanding" an apology, they are claiming that they have a right to an apology. If they have a right to an apology, then the only logical conclusion is that no one else has a right to say anything about them.
It's one thing to condemn what a person says, it's something completely different to claim that they should not be able to say it.
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The point of your post is that you are a hate-filled bigot. The rest is just filler.
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You didn't do well in reading comprehension in school, did you?
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Crime in Charlotte
Only if you're very close and involved in the area is it likely that you hear about crime in the University of North Carolina at Charlotte area. You see, the city council takes great efforts to suppress any news stories that might harm the image of "Charlotte, USA." However,
there is crime.
Interestingly, this is a group of thugs who are traveling around, violently robbing people at knifepoint. They have selected their victims on purpose -- they are all unarmed, and the robbers know this. Why? Because it's against the law to carry a firearm at all on the campus of UNCC.
So, if you obey the law, you are trusting the university and the city to protect you. That's not happening. You see, the city of Charlotte has enough money to buy and build new basketball arenas, pay for "living wages," airports, tourism, and trains that no one will use; but somehow they don't have enough money to actually pay for police to protect people from these thugs.
You have two choices. You can willingly submit to these thugs and hope they don't decide to start adding assault and murder to their tactics, or you can break the law and shoot the bastards where they stand. I don't think even the OJ jury will convict you if you shoot one of a group of eight who attack you with knives. Yes, it really has come to this point. You cannot trust the city of Charlotte to protect you against violent thieves -- which means you either surrender or take responsibility for your own life.
Of course, feel free to contact your city council member and ask for police protection. Don't actually expect them to listen to you, however. They're too busy spending billions on the Mayor Patrick McCrory signature light train line.
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You know, I've noticed that since I bought my house here in Charlotte in January of this year, I haven't seen more than 5 or 6 police cars?
Posted by: Seth at July 27, 2006 04:21 PM (4OJoa)
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When I lived in Charlotte, I once saw a person walking down a residential street, firing a gun. Being a good citizen, I called 911. After about 5 minutes of busy signals, I finally got through. The phone rang, unanswered, for about 4 more minutes. I reported the person shooting in the street a block away from my house. They said they'd send the police.
Being a good citizen, I then armed myself and sat on the front porch, should said shooter become more dangerous. He went the other way down the street. I waited.
20 minutes later a police car drove by. It was going about 45 mph (in a 20mph zone). It did not slow or stop.
They never contacted me again, nor ever checked on the shooter.
I moved 6 months later.
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July 26, 2006
New Renter!
Another new renter now occupies that place over at the top of the left sidebar. This week it's
Scooter McGavin Takes Pictures. If you've got some free time, why not take a click on that link and see what you get. The blog is about
Scooter McGavin proves he shouldn't quit his day job, or his night one for that matter as he shows off his pictures from the set of Veronica Mars
It's, well, it's got a lot of pictures! Take a peek!
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Doug Lamborn for Congress
This week Wictory Wednesday presents
Doug Lamborn for Congress for the 5th District of Colorado.
Doug Lamborn is a solid conservative with a history of fiscal restraint. He supports reforming education to give more choices to parents instead of dumping more money into a bloated bureaucracy. He believes there should be little to no federal role in education as those decision should be best left up to local areas to determine their own needs. Education is the absolute key to continued economic development and sustainability and it is clear that school choice will once again produce schools and students who are representative of the greatness of this nation.
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More Evidence against Abortion
You're likely not seeing a lot of coverage of the
latest news out of the Yale School of Medicine. Why is that? Because it's a discovery that, at it's core, provides more evidence that will dispute abortion on demand.
It seems the researchers there have discovered when humans develop a part of the brain that makes us human (and not animals) -- the cerebral cortex. And no, it doesn't develop only after birth, much to the chagrin of the pro-death anti-life pro-death choice "pro-choice" crowd. Instead, it develops 31 days after the human egg has been fertilized.
Those who argue that there's no human life until after birth, after the second trimester, or even after the first trimester now have even less ground to stand on. This research shows that humans begin developing as humans in just 31 days -- so you cannot legitimately claim that an abortion at 3 months is killing "just a fetus" or a "non-human."
This is more evidence that was not known when the fatal "Roe v. Wade" decision was handed down that shows that it was a wrong decision based on science (never mind the state's rights violations).
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those on the left "la la la la la la la, I can't hear you!!!!!"
Any evidence to the contrary, the leftards will continue to believe that it is not a human being till it is comes out of the womb and breaths.
Of course, if we are talking about unborn animals,then we must protect their unborn young.
Posted by: William Teach at July 26, 2006 09:15 PM (doAuV)
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Anyone on the left who even nods in the direction of someone who is pro-life will be labeled a heretic.
Posted by: Ogre at July 26, 2006 10:34 PM (o2crh)
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But it's JUST a GLOB of cells Ogre. Useless cells.
It can't think. It doesn't feel pain. It doesn't see or speak or think. How do they know this?? They don't so every new finding is very important.
Posted by: Raven at July 27, 2006 01:43 AM (fDjqx)
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They know it because John Kerry says it's so.
Posted by: Ogre at July 27, 2006 02:16 AM (o2crh)
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Sorry, Ogre, but you're wrong on the facts. The researchers didn't find that the cerebral cortex developed at 31 days. They found that the first neuron developed at 31 days. This neuron precedes all other neuron types in the brain, including those that make up the cerebral cortex. At this stage, it has no connection to other neurons, so it forms no synapses to signal pain or other responses, and it does not have sufficient complexity to sustain cognitive abilities like pain. It does have a stress response, but so do sperm.
Additionally, the cerebral cortex is not unique to humans; rather, it is present in all vertebrates. In fact, there is no gross neural anatomical structure that I know of that is present only in humans.
So, to correct William Teach's prediction, the response from those on "the left" is:
Read more carefully. Failing that, ask someone who knows the field and isn't trying to sell you something. Science will never be able to answer the social question of "what is a person", but to say that an embryo at 31 days development has cognition is simply false.
Posted by: Shygetz at July 28, 2006 02:12 PM (VPFKi)
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Oh, right. I'm sorry. What was I thinking?
Would it make any difference at all if I re-wrote that section for you so it read "The cerebral cortex STARTS developing at 31 days?" I bet not. But the meaning would be exactly the same.
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Free Money for Business
Want free money? Just
ask the state of North Carolina. They're giving away completely free money with zero strings attached. You can use it for whatever you like (as long as you claim to be doing research). Oh, but you have to be a business.
You see, in case you didn't know, the reason government exists in North Carolina is to grow. Their business model is to make more "profits" at any cost. They see this as "investing" money in the state which will result in more money for the state. The fact that there's zero risk and all money obtained by the state was taken by force doesn't seem to matter to anyone in this case.
If this were a free state, businesses would be free to do research and compete against one another. But the Democrats who rule North Carolina are not interested in freedom -- only in increasing and expanding government at literally any cost -- after all, it's not their money they're spending.
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Every time I have seen you comment on science or research, you get the facts terribly wrong.
You can't just ask for money, you have to demonstrate to your peers that you have a good idea that has a good shot at working, and a well-planned research strategy. In addition, you have to have already received a federal research grant, which is not easy to get.
You can't just claim to do research--you have to actually do the research. If you don't, you can go to prison for a long time.
Businesses are free to do research and compete against one another. Visit Research Triangle Park sometime, and you will see lots of businesses doing just that. However, the earlier research is too high-risk to convince most business investors to invest. Even the paragon of private research, Bell Labs, is moving away from basic research. However, without basic research, technology comes to a halt, as it has no foundation. So, the government (not just in the US, but worldwide) has decided to publically fund research, and make the results publically available, to stimulate businesses to develop new technologies. We've been doing this for quite a while, with great success. And here you come, using the tools public science helped develop (computers, semi-conductors, Internet, and probably nuclear power from your friendly neighborhood power plant) to bitch about it. How ironic.
Posted by: Shygetz at July 28, 2006 02:32 PM (VPFKi)
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You like to quibble about little things that have absolutely no bearing on my topic at hand, don't you?
The point is that the government is giving away money that *I* earned to benefit a business who asks for the money. It's wrong, no matter what you claim. It's anti-freedom, no matter how "difficult" you claim it is to get the money.
What's amazing to me is that I bet you actually believe that if you didn't steal my labor that suddenly we'd be back in the stone ages because no one would research anything -- and there's a lot of total fools who agree with you.
Posted by: Ogre at July 28, 2006 02:40 PM (/k+l4)
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Do you believe that algore invented the internet with tax dollars, too?
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July 25, 2006
Crushing of Cherrix Freedom Delayed
Amazingly, a judge actually
overruled another judge who wanted to take all freedom away from a family -- at least temporarily. I'm actually very shocked and amazed -- but this in only a temporary granting of freedom -- there's a new trial date set for August 16th.
I hope that Virginia Attorney General Robert McDonnell's brief supporting the family and freedom IN OPPOSITION TO the state helped in this case. Good job, Mr. McDonnell.
But enemies of freedom (CPS and others), fear not! Those who want to force this unwanted medical treatment on a person who will violently resist until restrained and who want his parents jailed have not yet given up! Carl Bundick and his anti-freedom Nazis with "child protective services" are looking forward to a new "trial" to allow them to forcibly "cure the boy of cancer" -- no matter the cost, no matter what the person wants.
This one isn't over yet.
(More at Below the Beltway).
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I hope that this is a permanent victory for this young man and his family. A precedent for freedom must be established!
When someone has a life-threatening illness, he should be able to choose his method of treatment without any government interference.
Posted by: Always On Watch at July 26, 2006 02:39 AM (wZLWV)
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The government has already decided to fight to take this child from his family. They're scheduled to argue to a judge August 16th that they have supreme authority over all life in Virginia and they WILL attempt to force this treatment on him again.
Posted by: Ogre at July 26, 2006 11:15 AM (/k+l4)
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I'm watching this case too. It really baffles me- why the interest in a 16 yr old who has rights?
Oh I get it. Nanny state is trying to remove his rights.
Posted by: Raven at July 27, 2006 01:46 AM (fDjqx)
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Bingo. Forced medication under duress. Very scary stuff.
Posted by: Ogre at July 27, 2006 02:16 AM (o2crh)
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He is a minor. If his parents beat the crap out of him could the state step in to stop them? If the boy is starving and his parents refuse to feed him, could the state intervene (if you answer is no, then we really have nothing to discuss, as we live on different planets)?
The boy has cancer. Without treatment, he will almost certainly die. He has chosen treatment that has no chance of helping, and that is not legal in America as a cancer treatment (as it is completely ineffectual). The judge ruled that the minor is not sufficiently mature to act as an adult in this matter. The judge also ruled that his parents are not acting in his best interests, as they are trying to treat him with quackery. It's analogous to trying to pray a starving man back to health instead of feeding him.
If the kid was 18, there would be no argument from me (or most other people). But he is a minor, his parents are not protecting his interests, and it is killing him. If the state can keep him alive until he is 18, then I have no problem with him killing himself. But until then, he's a minor and not competent to make his own bad decision.
Posted by: Shygetz at July 28, 2006 02:23 PM (VPFKi)
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So let's see, in your mind, parents beating a 5-year old is exactly the same thing as a 16-year old choosing to avoid the state causing him great, excruciating pain.
I'm not sure we can discuss this, because you're making that comparison that I completely disagree with. Your example compares a physical, overt, action with an inaction of questionable impact.
Everyone is going to die. Forcing this treatment on him has absolutely NO guarantee that it will have ANY effect. In fact, in this case, the treatment is HIGHLY likely to FAIL. You see, he's already had this exact treatment once, and it did not help. In medical journals, it is reported that most people who are helped by this treatment are helped the first time, and NOT the second time.
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Abraham Cherrix: Take Drugs or Else
This case is another example of how difficult it is to fight socialism and the left in America today. This is the case, you may have heard of it, regarding Abraham Cherrix. He is being told that he will be taken by the sheriff with force and strapped down to a table and injected with drugs against his will. And no, he hasn't even come close to committing a crime.
Why would the state do this? Because Abraham is "only" 16 and the state knows better how to treat him than he and his family does. You see, Abraham is sick. No, it's not a sickness that's contagious and could affect others, it's cancer. Jay and his family want to treat his sickness as they desire. However, the state in it's infinite wisdom, is determined the treat him against his will.
If this were just one person, the judge, he could be shot and this would be over with. But it's not just one judge. The entire bureaucracy of social services is lining up to crush Abraham's freedom. There's actually a hearing today to determine if the judge will order the police to take this boy into custody so they can forcibly medicate him. Any sheriff who obeys this judge's order is just as guilty as the judge.
Social services, for those who don't know them, are basically evil. They exist to destroy people in order to obtain federal funding. Sure occasionally they do something good, but like the ACLU, they do 1000 evil acts for each good act.
Will this lead to an "Elian Gonzalez?" It's sounding like it will so far. The gestapo, I mean social service agent has already threatened Abraham's parents that they will forcibly break into his house and take Abraham by force. Abraham's father asked the agent,
What will you do with my little boy? Will you take him somewhere and strap him down and put duct tape on his mouth and pump full of this stuff if he doesn't want it?
The social services agent replied
No, I will come to your house with a uniformed officer, and I will take your son by force if he resists. And I will take him to somebody who will do that.
In other words, in Virginia as of right now, the state's interest in providing medication against someone's will trumps ALL rights and freedoms. Abraham's father believes that there's a judge who will overrule the forced medication. Mr. Cherrix, you may want to arm yourself. You see, this is a so-called "family court" decision by Judge Jesse Demps. He IS god, in his mind. You have challenged his decision. That makes most judges fight harder.
So, how do you stop this horrible injustice? The ONLY way is a majority force of arms. The judge is ordering police to seize this child. The police will obey him. The only way to stop the judge and the police is to resist. In this case, with violence. Yes, it really has come to this point.
And yes, if they do resist, they will certainly be killed. You see, there's more policemen than there are arms in Abraham's house. And sure, the police will claim they were just following the judge's orders -- need I remind you that the Nazi guards were just following orders, too?
Every resistance has to begin somewhere.
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
-- Thomas Jefferson
The tree is wilting. A lot.
(Update: Thanks to Kat, names and references to names fixed).
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That's outrageous!
This kind of thing is only supposed to happen in Marxist states -- I'd add Nazis, except they no longer have a country (officially), wherein the govt usurps parents' authority to raise their children according to their own standards.
I'll say it again, I'm so glad I've passed the half century mark, I have the feeling that the young people of today are in for a nasty ride...
Posted by: Seth at July 25, 2006 01:51 PM (4OJoa)
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It just absolutely baffles the mind of a person who loves freedom. To those who support the state in place of freedom, I'm sure this makes sense. I'm just amazed there are so many people in this specific instance that openly support the judge, social services, and the police.
Posted by: Ogre at July 25, 2006 01:55 PM (/k+l4)
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I can't believe this! This is so moronic and interfering-busy-body that it's criminal. Being the vindicative little wench I can, I really hope that the family wins at the hearing, and then goes after Social Services (initials "SS" - coincidence? I think NOT!) for damages and mental suffering...
And why the heck is my trackback not coming thru?? Anyway,
my post is here.
Good catch, Ogre!
-- Kat
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Posted by: Kat at July 25, 2006 02:37 PM (5Lv8n)
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Grrr... OK, my post is here:
http://www.cathousechat.com/cathouse_chat/2006/07/what.html
-- Kat
Posted by: Kat at July 25, 2006 02:39 PM (5Lv8n)
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Sorry, trackbacks have been hit with spam so hard that they shut the server down. We have no trackbacks today.

Thanks for the link.
Posted by: Ogre at July 25, 2006 03:28 PM (/k+l4)
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Oh, well, that's not the ONLY reason my TB didn't work (I put it in incorrectly *wince*)...
Must. Have. More. COFFEE!!!
;-)
-- Kat
Posted by: Kat at July 25, 2006 03:43 PM (5Lv8n)
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Reading more about this, I see that the family appears to be committed to non-violent resistance.
I think the family will end up in jail and Abraham will be sedated and medicated "for his own good."
Sad days, these are.
Posted by: Ogre at July 25, 2006 03:45 PM (/k+l4)
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This happens ALL the time. In every state. Esp. Utah where the Mormons are against medical treatments that involve certain drugs and blood products. Usually these cases involve little kids who by law aren't allowed to speak for themselves.
This 16 yr has spoken though and he doesn't want the treatments. His wishes should be respected. I'm surprised the medical people will force this upon him: THAT would be assault and battery under Patient Rights Laws.
Posted by: Raven at July 25, 2006 11:58 PM (MZe2s)
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Again, when the medical people do that, they're joining in the coalition AGAINST freedom. It's what makes fighting the socialists SO hard. If this case ends up with forced medication, who is to blame? Who has crushed freedom? The judge, the department of social services, the sheriff's department, and the entire medical department that participates. How does one fight so many at one time?
Posted by: Ogre at July 26, 2006 11:18 AM (/k+l4)
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New City Journal
I just got an email from an editor of
City Journal. Apparently it's been around for awhile, but I've never heard of it. Perhaps I should get out more often. Glancing at the headlines, it looks interesting. Have a read and tell me if you like this, or let me know if it's the most hated journal you've ever read. Here's some headlines from it:
Theodore Dalrymple on the "Terrorists Among Us," explaining how itÂ’s not just Islam, but the tension between Islam and Western modernity, that makes them tick.
Sol Stern on the growing movement to teach for “social justice” in public schools and ed schools: Sol shows how it perpetuates a cruel hoax on disadvantaged kids
Kay S. Hymowitz in the hilarious "Desperate Grandmas" describes how narcissistic feminists, now sexagenarians, are still seeking the Best Sex Ever!
Steven Malanga's moving "The Last Full Measure" pays tribute to the monuments honoring the 9/11 dead that have sprung up throughout New York commuter towns--Steve's photos are included.
Heather Mac Donald explains why the NYPD--now fighting terror as well as crime--is still America's best police force:
And former Hollywood screenwriter Gerry Garibaldi, now teaching in a public school in Connecticut, tells what he's learned about how the schools shortchange boys.
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