September 30, 2006
Off to the Zoo
I mentioned earlier in the week that I would be out taking pictures on Saturday. I have decided to head to the zoo with animals in cages (at Asheboro) instead of the zoo with animals outside their cages (the "impeach Bush" rally in Freedom Park, Charlotte, NC).
Sorry for those of you hoping I would go to the more entertaining zoo -- this weekend I decided to head for a nicer, calmer zoo with more reasonable and rational animals.
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Don't lie to us, Ogre... They've finally caught up with you, haven't they? Make sure you post your new address so we can all come visit you at the zoo, OK?
**snicker**
-- Kat
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Posted by: Kat at September 30, 2006 03:22 PM (Bdli+)
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What, no minions of little Ogres to be dispatched to cover the loonatarium rally?
Well, I'm sure the Charlotte Disturber will cover it, though only the hate Bush parts. Im 100% positive that there won't be any photos of the serious wackos.
Anyhow, tell us how the poo flinging at the zoo goes. I have been in NC for a long time, and I just never have went. Shame.
Posted by: William Teach at September 30, 2006 10:48 PM (doAuV)
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Go to this link and print out the article. Make a hundred or so copies and hand them out at the next 'human' zoo outing.
http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=article&id=244423511626964
Talk about democratic heads exploding, stand clear.
Posted by: Scrapiron at October 01, 2006 12:12 AM (vFS/o)
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Kat, you can come visit me at the zoo any time -- as long as you bring some food (like those yummy blueberry pancakes!)
Teach, it was a hard decision, I tell you. I think one thing that helped me make the decision was the official police estimate for turnout in Charlotte was 10. Yes, ten. I'm not sure I could have found the feces flinging monkeys there -- at least in Asheboro, they were labeled with a sign.
Nice one, Scrapiron. That would certainly cause much pain in Democrat heads!
And true, Flower Delivery, it was quite relaxing compared to normal every day life.
Thanks, everyone, for stopping along.
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Posted by: oddybobo at October 02, 2006 04:07 PM (mZfwW)
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There's some coming this week, after I get them out of the camera and process them!
Posted by: Ogre at October 02, 2006 05:15 PM (oifEm)
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Guess this means they let you out of zoo. ;-)
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After they fed me, sure!
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September 29, 2006
Rock on a Fence

This little fellow is named "Smokin Rock." He comes from a lovely llama farm in Oregon called
Rain Dance Ranch Llamas. I assume that it was either Ken or Celia, the owners of the ranch, who named him "Smoking Rock."
Now, my good llama readers, I have to ask: is that an appropriate name for such a fellow? I mean does this guy REALLY look like a "smoking rock" to you? Maybe it's just because I live near Charlotte, NC, but "smoking rock" makes me think of crack cocaine and other such nasty stuff.
Now I'm not saying Smokin' isn't a good llama. And I'm not saying that if you see this image and you're in Charlotte that you're NOT smokin' crack. But I just think this fellow looks a little more like a "Tim" or "Larry." Heck, maybe even a "Harvey". But Smokin' Rock?
I dunno. Anyone else think he looks like something other than Rock?
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He's definitely a Harvey!
I'm happy to see silliness on your blog, there's certainly only "baiting" going on at mine!
He's baaaaaaaaaaack! I can hardly wait for the next round! ;-)
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BTW, thought I'd share a bit of outfitter humor from my home state of Colorado;
"Do you know the best way to pack a llama?"
"One on each side of a mule."
LOL
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I'd started to say that it looked like a "Harvey," but then I noticed that it looked too intelligent.
I'd say "Tim," or perhaps, "Roger, The Shrubber."
Posted by: That 1 Guy at September 29, 2006 10:27 PM (A3OUN)
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Huh. And here I thought he kinda had a "joe" look to him.
;-)
Posted by: Tammi at September 30, 2006 01:07 AM (3UQTn)
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That's one goofy lookin ostrich.
Posted by: richj at September 30, 2006 05:34 AM (Dhoqw)
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Perhaps I should contact his owner and suggest he be renamed. And Rich, you're just asking for more lessons!
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Ostrich Races

Whee! Now that looks like fun, doesn't it? Anyone here want to head out and do some ostrich racing? And yes, you DO have to do it without a saddle or stirrups. Come on, why not?
And yes, it is time for silly Friday, a bit early today. It's been a tough, depressing week in the world of freedom, so we're just letting it all hang out today. Time to relax, laugh, and pretend, at least for a little while, that all the evil in the world that's trying to destroy America and destroy freedom (including those inside the country) isn't there.
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I'll put 10 bucks on "The Senate" in 5th.
Posted by: Tomslick at September 29, 2006 02:05 PM (RpnNu)
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I wouldn't bet 1 dollar on anything named "The Senate."
Posted by: Ogre at September 29, 2006 02:57 PM (oifEm)
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Why do I have this urge to watch "Swiss Family Robinson?"
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Ostrichs are so cute and funny! Though I'd never trust them, cause they are just gigantic stupid birds, whatever))
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Jim Black's Trial
In the current trial, of course, Jim Black (Democrat Speaker of the NC House) is not actually on trial. Instead, Kevin Geddings, the person Jim Black appointed to run the state gambling institution (aka The Lottery) is on trial for fraud. There appears to be a very large amount of evidence that shows that Jim Black did know that Geddings was an employee of Scientific Games.
They even have testimony from a waiter that clearly shows that Jim Black had dinner with two employees of Scientific Games, and a receipt showing that Scientific Games paid for the dinner, on the same night that Mr. Black chose Kevin Geddings for that post.
The strange news is that if Geddings is found not guilty of fraud, that will mean that Jim Black is guilty. Be sure to watch The Meck Deck, as Jeff there seems to always have the latest on this trial -- and he's waiting for the feds to really get serious about this and go RICO on the Democrat corruption in Raleigh.
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September 28, 2006
Llama. Not A Llama.
This is a llama:

Yes, he's napping under the bus. Looks like a fine place to nap to me.
This is NOT a llama:

Got it?
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Uh.
Did someone confuse the two???
LOL
Posted by: Raven at September 28, 2006 10:15 PM (jTjxk)
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I'm just trying to educate people here. Sometimes on politics, sometimes on llamas.
Posted by: Ogre at September 28, 2006 10:56 PM (QmGzr)
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Okay, so the bottom picture is a llama, and the top picture is a furry flat tire, right? Or, is the bottom picture Don Knotts, and the top is a really hairy mechanic?
Posted by: Steev at September 28, 2006 11:26 PM (LfL8N)
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Heheheh... if you've ever seen "Dude. Where's my car," you'd know why you have to show the difference.
"Get away from me you crazy llama!!!" *to an ostrich*
Posted by: That 1 Guy at September 29, 2006 12:25 AM (A3OUN)
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Steev? You worry me.

And see? As T1G notes, such education is a public service!
Posted by: Ogre at September 29, 2006 09:16 AM (QmGzr)
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I heard that a large group of affluent alpacas where touring with the Stones. The tour bus had a flat so they used a llama for a jackstand.
The story also said, they had a perfectly fine jackstand in the bus, but that's just the way Alpacas are.
Posted by: Tomslick at September 29, 2006 12:23 PM (RpnNu)
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I've heard that about Alpacas...
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Human Rights in the EU
Or perhaps the title should read, "the LACK of Human Rights in the EU." As
Principled Discovery reports, the European Court of Human Rights
has ruled that there is no such thing as parental rights. In other words, children are wholly and completely owned by the state, not the parents.
Now while the EU Convention claims that parents have religious freedom with such statements as "the State shall respect the right of parents to ensure such education and teaching in conformity with their own religious and philosophical convictions," the Court decided to "interpret" that to mean that the state gets to decide what religious activities shall be permitted by the parents.
At issue, specifically here, was homeschooling in Germany. In Germany, it's illegal. Your children will be taken away from you and you will be fined if you attempt to teach your own children. In Germany, that is the sole province of the state and the state will use it's monopoly on force to destroy any who attempt to challenge their rule in this area. The EU Court just agreed with Germany.
So while every day we lose freedoms here in the United States, and we are really no longer a truly free society, things are worse elsewhere in the world. The EU Court said that "Parents may not refuse the right to education of a child on the basis of their convictions." In other words, you have ZERO religous freedom in Germany.
Tell me again why we should revere and respect the EU?
Read more details and analysis at Principled Discovery.
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Thank God for America! Our own left would love to ban homeschooling too, but have so far been unsuccessful! In California they tried to pass a law saying that only an accredited teacher could home school...it failed!
BTW...He's baaaaack! I don't believe al-antar has read my blog except for responses to his comments, or he'd be having a cow about my most recent post. So far no comments there.
Posted by: DagneyT at September 28, 2006 08:30 PM (pFR9u)
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Homeschooling is one of the very few places where we're not losing freedoms in America -- and that is truly a good thing.
Posted by: Ogre at September 28, 2006 09:19 PM (QmGzr)
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Spoke too soon! At least he did not have a cow, and even thanked me!
Posted by: DagneyT at September 28, 2006 10:02 PM (pFR9u)
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Wow. I didn't know this about Germany...but it makes sense for that part of the world where socialism is the THING. We wouldn't want our kids to grow up thinking it's good to EARN and WORK for the things we value.
Posted by: Raven at September 28, 2006 10:18 PM (jTjxk)
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They openly admit in this decision that people should NOT have differing views of society. They clearly state that the State should make everyone think the same, and that's just damn scary.
Posted by: Ogre at September 28, 2006 10:56 PM (QmGzr)
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I couldn't quite figure out how the right of the parent to educate their child according to their convictions necessitated regulation by the state and therefore meant basically the exact opposite of what that would appear to mean.
If you are interested, last night I finally found the text of the actual decision and talk about it (and link to it)here:
http://gottsegnet.blogspot.com/2006/09/new-petand-its-demise.html
Posted by: Dana at September 29, 2006 03:24 PM (rH6Vz)
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ok, that's what I get for multi-tasking. That's about my son and THIS is about the court decision:
http://gottsegnet.blogspot.com/2006/09/european-court-of-human-rights-rules.html
Posted by: Dana at September 29, 2006 03:26 PM (rH6Vz)
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You really should let people like me edit their comments so I don't fill up your comment box with my own stupidity.
http://gottsegnet.blogspot.com/2006/09/parents-right-to-educate-by-its-nature.html
Posted by: Dana at September 29, 2006 03:30 PM (rH6Vz)
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Hehe. Don't worry about it.

I suspect (although I'll go now and read you comments about it) that they found that the parents don't really HAVE that right.
Posted by: Ogre at September 29, 2006 03:31 PM (oifEm)
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Yeah, something like that. They have an interesting view of what a right is. I'm all for "state's rights" but that means something drastically different here than this decision hands down : )
Anyway, thanks for your patience with my links. I am a product of the public schools, after all, where guess and check is the primary problem solving skill taught.
Posted by: Dana at September 29, 2006 05:12 PM (JEbUC)
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In a free country, individual rights trump states' rights.
And you learned actual skills in public school? You must have gone to one of them thar "good" schools. We don't have time for teaching skills in schools in NC.
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ACLU can't even agree with the ACLU
Crossposted from
Stop The ACLU:
In case you haven't heard, a group of dissenters from the ACLU are rebelling and calling for a change in the current leadership of the main organization. The summary of things this new group is fed up with is hypocrisy and the ACLU is full of it. Purging the ACLU of its hypocrisy is bound to be a goliath task.
Where do we even begin with the ACLU's hypocrisy? How about its odd stance on the Second Amendment? They have decided that the term "the people" that is contained in the Second Amendment does not apply to "the people" as it does in all of the other rights contained in the Bill of Rights. They defend even the most radical in free speech for individuals, but somehow have adopted the opposite position on the Second Amendment. Surely it couldn't be that the Second Amendment doesn't fall within the boundaries of their liberal agenda! Could it?
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Y'all Vote
Well, you really have to be from the south to get this one, but it IS a serious site. Every 12 years there's no "big" offices listed on the ballots in NC. In fact, in my polling place, there's NO election at all, except for the judges. No governor, Senator, or president means LOW turnout.
Y'all Vote is a site that's North-Carolina based that's trying to encourage people to get out and vote this year.
There's links to all the elections this year. Find out who you CAN vote for and decide who you want to vote for. An informed voter is a good voter. Go get informed and then vote.
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And y'all should vote for conservatives such as Sen. Fred Smith. He deserves our votes and support.
Posted by: Nathan Tabor at September 28, 2006 01:03 PM (vFS/o)
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Absolutely.
But since I don't live in his district, how many times do I get to vote for him? I'm claim I'm not a citizen -- does that get me more ballots?
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September 27, 2006
Afterimage Illusion
How about some confusion for your eyes?
Afterimage Illusion
Don't worry, I promise it's not the old monster-jumps-out video. It's just pretty neat. Just don't try and stand up and walk for a few seconds after viewing this one...
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Posted by: vw bug at September 27, 2006 06:41 PM (zioTT)
Posted by: Ogre at September 27, 2006 07:57 PM (oifEm)
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That was really weird. I once saw a spinning top that had black and while circles on it. When spun and then looked at for about thirty seconds it had an even more pronounced effect on the eyes than this one does.
Posted by: Denny at September 28, 2006 07:38 AM (31cy1)
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Cool effect.
But you really only need to stare at it for about 15 seconds or so to get the effect.
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Max Burns for Congress
This week Wictory Wednesday presents
Max Burns for the US Congress for the 12th District of Georgia. He is running a tight race against Democratic incumbent John Barrow.
The Israeli war in Lebanon has shown what will happen if we pull out of IraqÂ… the terrorists will claim victory and emerge even stronger and more emboldened. Max Burns understands this and supports the troops to complete their mission. We should live in a society that respects and supports those who risk their lives for our benefit. Sadly, we don't live in that society.
Max Burns understands that immigration doesn't require reform; it requires actually enforcing the laws on the books. Not enforcing the law has led to lawlessness and before any question of guest workers can be introduced, law and order needs to return to that segment of society.
The infamous "Bridge to Nowhere" has shown us that even a GOP lead Congress can still waste money. That is why earmark reform and a line item veto is all the more necessary. When pork can be put into budgets without debate (earmarks), the line item veto allows voters to put the heat on the President to bring sense back to Congressional spending. The GOP has gotten half of the equation right in lowering taxesÂ… now they need to cut spending. Max Burns supports this in the form of a balanced budget.
Families waste days and weeks each year trying to figure out their "fair share" of taxes. Not even the IRS can figure out the tax codeÂ… a book that is over 12 times larger than the Bible! Max Burns supports cleaning up the tax code so that families can clearly understand what the oweÂ… and the IRS can even figure it out too.
Please consider donating or volunteering to the Max Burns campaign. Help turn this blue seat red!
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Fair Tax
by TD of The Right Track
A quick and dirty search through Google News for articles, news, and editorials revealed no less than 14 pieces written in the last month regarding the FairTax. Fully 1/3 of those were editorials agreeing with the need for the FairTax.
A sampling:
From the Denver Daily News, an editorial titled "FairTax, not flat tax, needed to fix nationÂ’s taxation woes":
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Ogre - Buddy - I need your RSS URL - I have to reset my Yahoo page as it crashed.....
Posted by: Smokey at September 27, 2006 03:23 PM (fq59s)
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Right side, button below the blogrolls:
http://feeds.feedburner.com/mu/AFbx
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NC Government wants to spend more
Okay, so that's not really news, is it? Of COURSE the General Assembly wants to spend more money. The current members honestly see that as their job. They seriously measure their success by how much money they spend, and on nothing else. If they spend MORE one year than the last, no matter on what, they consider themselves a success.
Once again, they're trying to use the taxpayers' money as a tool to buy some votes. They're trying to buy votes of policemen, firemen, and bleeding heart taxpayers. Under the guise of "safety," they want to spend at least $30 million more each year to PAY policemen and firemen NOT to work.
Sounds like a federal program, doesn't it? Currently, most policemen in North Carolina, when they retire, receive close to 100% of their previous pay. I'm not saying you're going to get rich as a policeman, and I certainly respect those who do serve in that job. However, the government wants to reduce the time of service from 30 years to 25 years to get that 100% benefit. Why? To buy those votes, plain and simple.
And yet again, if this passes, the legislature will pass on the costs to the counties -- forcing the counties to spend that money. This is the standard way that the government operates in North Carolina. Taxes WILL have to be raised to pay for this benefit. However, the legislators will say, with a straight face, "Gee, WE didn't raise taxes." At the same time, the county commissioners will say, "Gee, we were FORCED to raise taxes, we didn't have a choice."
And meanwhile, it's the taxpayer, once again, in the name of buying votes, that gets the shaft.
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September 26, 2006
Animals or Animals...
I've a tough decision to make this weekend. I'm planning on taking some pictures and experimenting with some new settings and filters on my camera. I was hoping that I could do that in the NC mountains with some fall colors, but it's not been cold enough yet to get the leaves turning.
Next, I thought I might head out to the NC Zoo and take some shots of some wild animals. However, I recently found out (thanks to Teach and The John Locke Foundation) that there will be some world socialists who openly advocate the overthrow of Bush having a "rally" in Charlotte on Saturday. This is the same group that rioted partied rallied in uptown Charlotte last Saturday that led to confrontations with police, tasers, and other such exciting times.
So I have to decide whether I want to take pictures of animals or animals. I guess it's with or without cages...
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Always film the Democrat "animals" first and foremost. They are much more interesting as a subspecies. Maybe you'll even get a shot of these wild creatures doing something that the 'other' media will use.
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I'm leaning towards the animals without a cage, but I do fear for the safety of my camera. I am going as an "independent" photographer, so hopefully I won't be a target.
And Tomslick, I'm going to a REAL zoo...
Posted by: Ogre at September 26, 2006 08:02 PM (oifEm)
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Ahh got to the human rally. Get pictures. It'll be fun...
Posted by: Raven at September 26, 2006 08:43 PM (zxvKi)
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I'm looking forward to seeing the Rally Animals. They always out the donk party for what it is! Very revealing, and infinitly more educational than caged zoo animals!
Posted by: DagneyT at September 26, 2006 09:51 PM (pFR9u)
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Well, no matter which one you go to, the zoo or the rally, you know there will be poo flinging. Literally.
Posted by: William Teach at September 26, 2006 10:37 PM (IRsCk)
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Personally, I'd go to the zoo.
Posted by: Butch at September 26, 2006 10:56 PM (vaeaV)
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I think it might be fun either way, Raven.
And yes, Dagney, I'm sure the pictures from the rally animals will be infinitely more entertaining for the readers of this blog.
And Teach, you are SO right.
Butch, yes, but WHICH zoo is the question!
Thanks for stopping along, everyone.
Posted by: Ogre at September 26, 2006 11:08 PM (QmGzr)
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Religion and Politics
Well, let's throw up a bit of controversy here and see what happens, shall we? How about we introduce the two things that you're not supposed to talk about in polite company: religion and politics -- and let's mix them up. Here's my theory:
You cannot have politics and government without religion
This post has been floating around in my head for quite some time now, and after reading Joe Carter's
post on "An Open Letter to the Religious Right, I'm finally putting it into words.
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Sorry, ogre, totally off the subject, but I do not have access to email at the moment. You have to check this out and see the moonbats on parade:
http://impeachbush.meetup.com/356/?gj=sj5
It is on Saturday in Charlotte.
Posted by: William Teach at September 26, 2006 04:29 PM (doAuV)
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I have been watching that very closely. I think I might attend with camera... This is the same group that met downtown Saturday and clashed with police.
Posted by: Ogre at September 26, 2006 04:54 PM (oifEm)
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IMHO, our Declaration and Constitution are divinely inspired documents.
Posted by: DagneyT at September 26, 2006 10:19 PM (pFR9u)
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I agree, Dagney, but there are more than a few who would claim that they're not, despite the wording used in them.
Posted by: Ogre at September 26, 2006 11:09 PM (QmGzr)
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a question was raised in my ethics class recently that I have been struggling with and I was hoping you could answer it.
I was raised Roman Catholic and obviously was taught that god created EVERYTHING.
however the professor asked us the other day why murder was wrong, because God said so or because it causes pain and suffering etc.
obviously the answer is because it causes pain, not simply because god says so. If this much is true than the morality that we adhere to is something seperate from god and thus was not created by him. Even if he did create the moral code he had to have reasons for his logic or he would be irrational. If I am to accept that morality is not simply a product of god than how can I continue to accept God in the traditional sense?
Posted by: Brian at September 26, 2006 11:31 PM (Fvkgc)
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Why is the obvious answer "because it causes pain?" What if the pain is because your body is rebelling and requiring action of the one being attacked? And what about murders that cause no pain (like by poisoning or lethal injection)? I question your "obvious" answer.
Posted by: Ogre at September 26, 2006 11:34 PM (QmGzr)
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the actual act of murder is not the point. The point is that murder or whatever you decide is more applicable, is wrong regardless of god saying it is wrong
Posted by: brian at September 27, 2006 12:28 AM (Fvkgc)
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But therein lies the rub. WHY is it wrong? You have stated that it is wrong -- says who? Certainly Darwin would absolutely disagree. If all life is survival of the fittest then the strong SHOULD murder the weak because it means the strong will survive. Murder certainly isn't wrong in the animal kingdom, so WHY is it wrong for people?
Posted by: Ogre at September 27, 2006 09:01 AM (QmGzr)
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ogre murder doesnt matter, you can pick whatever act you want and apply the same theory, so if you think murder is ok than surely there must be some act that you thought was wrong before god said so. Rape. I think Rape is wrong no matter what god says.
Posted by: brian at September 27, 2006 04:19 PM (Z4rnY)
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You're changing the terms. The question doesn't change: WHY? Says who?
At first you claimed that murder was wrong because it was painful. Then you changed and said that murder was wrong because it's wrong. Now you're saying that rape is wrong because it's wrong. You're missing the point of me and the ethics professor: WHY is it wrong? What about the action makes it wrong? How did you decide that?
Posted by: Ogre at September 27, 2006 05:31 PM (oifEm)
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Alright than I am saying that there is a moral code in place seperate from god that tells me that raping a woman is wrong. Do you believe that the only reason rape is wrong is because god says so?
Posted by: brian at September 27, 2006 06:11 PM (Z4rnY)
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Alright, your moral code decides what is wrong and what is right. Where did that come from?
Posted by: Ogre at September 27, 2006 07:56 PM (oifEm)
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from my own sense of self and my personal conception of right and wrong, having nothing to do with god. again, do you believe there is anything wrong with rape other than the fact that god says it is wrong?
Posted by: brian at September 27, 2006 09:26 PM (Z4rnY)
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So we're back to your original question. You stated that you were a Catholic that was struggling with your belief system and were questioning if murder was wrong because God said it was wrong.
Now you state that you, personally, have decided that murder is wrong because YOU say it's wrong. That's fine, that's your belief system. Of course, when you subscribe to that system of beliefs, every single person gets to decide for themselves exactly what is right and wrong. If I disagree with you, then my entire belief system can be quite literally anything I want it to be, including claiming that rape and murder are not actually "wrong."
On the other hand, Christians believe that God created Man and gave him everything that he has including free will, reason, and a moral code. Christians believe that because God created man that the personal conception of right and wrong that you have determined was put there by God himself.
If that is the case, then everyone has the same basic moral code impressed upon them and only the truly evil (due to free will) disagree with that God-inspired written on everyone's heart moral code.
Posted by: Ogre at September 27, 2006 09:49 PM (QmGzr)
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Ogre, I think I know where he is coming from. What he is saying is that even if god said it is wrong that does not mean it is wrong. It is up to the person to decide that. The article seems to push that religion is the main reason for a person's decision. I disagree with that but realize it plays a major role. Brian is trying to state that other things influence morals as well. Even atheist have morals, though they differ from person to person just as everyone else.
Brian, Ogre is trying to say every creature on Earth has the right to make its own decision as to what it believes is right and wrong. He, like the article, is trying to say religion is one factor to a persons view. Ogre is also trying to say that a label such as Christian, Buddhist, Muslim, Hindu, or Jew does not mean he will have the same morals as everyone else, but also does not mean he is influenced solely by there religion. Labels in general are bad. Politics these days should show that. Republicans and Democrats are just a broad title, and, for the most part only allow for two people to run for election against each other. This does not reference how they vote.
Just remember one thing Brian. You are who you are based on your environment with a little based on your DNA. Everything from your family, religion, community, and culture both locally and worldwide influence your morals and opinions.
Posted by: Arbitratorofall at September 28, 2006 12:33 AM (5+Jvh)
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I know it's a minor point, but I am of the opinion that anyone's decisions ARE based on their religion -- even if that religion is atheism. If the word "religion" is defined to mean a person's belief system, then no matter what their belief system, whether it includes a god or not, that IS their religion. That's the point of the article.
So sure, everyone does have morals. Christians believe that all those morals come from God. Others believe they come from man.
Some will attempt to argue there are other possibilities, but if the morals didn't come from some supernatural source, then they came from Man. I know the Charlotte Capitalist, in particular, argues vehemently against God and Man, claiming "Reason" is King. I would submit that either Reason is Man-created or Supernatural. If is has always been, then it had to be created by something -- otherwise Man created it.
Posted by: Ogre at September 28, 2006 01:00 AM (QmGzr)
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once again ogre do you believe that rape is wrong only because god says that it is wrong. And even assuming that god did create man with free will he must of had a reason for giving us free will, a reason that he did not create. Otherwise, he would be irrational. If this much is true than what else could god not have created?
Posted by: brian at September 28, 2006 01:32 AM (Z4rnY)
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So apparently we have now changed the question. One can only assume your initial setup for your question, your claim to be a Catholic who was questioning, was a lie. That would make a you a troll who is only trying to cause trouble and evoke reactions, not have a productive discussion.
Posted by: Ogre at September 28, 2006 09:00 AM (QmGzr)
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absolutley and unequivicably that is not the case. I can understand why you would think that if perhaps my comments have become emotional but I promise you that was not my intent.
Posted by: brian at September 28, 2006 04:30 PM (Z4rnY)
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Then why have you veered so far from the point of the post and the point of your question? The point of the post is that you cannot have government without SOME belief system. Your ethics question was attempting to claim that murder is not wrong because God says so, but because it causes pain.
So what does this have to do with me, personally, and my opinion on rape?
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MN Court Decides People Have Rights
I'm shocked. An appeals court in Minnesota
actually ruled that their state Constitution cannot be overruled by a majority vote of a city council -- even if the law is
only to raise money for safety.
This is just one of the numerous lawsuits regarding so-called "red-light cameras." This is the first one I've seen, however, that actually made the clear ruling that people are innocent until proven guilty. You see, in nearly every case where red-light cameras have been added, the person is considered guilty and must prove their innocence. But this does clearly violate due process for subjects citizens.
In some states like North Carolina, it was even worse. I once received a red-light camera ticket and the letter the private company sent (because the state didn't even bother with enforcement, they contracted it out) actually said that they had more pictures that they were refusing to show me that would prove I was guilty. I tried to enter an "innocent" plea, but they said I had to pay $50 to enter that plea -- and by paying $50, I was admitting guilt.
Fortunately, North Carolina really lost the cameras when the judges ruled that the money "raised" from the cameras had to go to school system (per state law). When the cities found out that the red-light camera program would not net them any cash, they stopped the program dead in it's tracks.
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Senator Fred Smith
I blogged once about
Senator Smith speaking in Iredell. He's got a
new video for his re-election campaign for his Senate seat. Go check it out -- he may be the Republican candidate for governor of NC in 2008.
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Thanks, Ogre, for the back-up on my blog. I haven't decided if he's a troll or not.
Is Vernon Robinson in North or South Carolina? What do you think of him? I really like him, and I've donated to his campaign. Do you think he has a chance? I sure hope so.
Posted by: DagneyT at September 26, 2006 12:36 PM (pFR9u)
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You bet.
Vernon is in North Carolina. He's certainly a polarizing figure, but from what I can see, he's very solid on the conservative side. As for whether he has a chance, it's really, really hard to tell.
You see, he's too conservative for the Republicans, so the Republican "leadership" won't back him. But he's running in a black Democrat district. If he were white, there's be absolutely no chance of him winning -- but he's black and he's running against a white Democrat. And he's being really honest. I think he's got a shot.
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I'm so happy to hear that! We need guys like that! Hey, I just sent you an e-mail...check it out. ;-)
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September 25, 2006
Tarheel Tavern
Yes, it's that time once again. This week's Tarheel Tavern
has been posted at Poetic Acceptance.
The Tarheel Tavern is a weekly round up of blog posts from and about North Carolina. Good stuff. You can read it now!
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Anchor Babies
This Blogburst is also available as a
Podcast.
by Toni at Bear Creek Ledger
All of these stories were found in the last couple days posted to Lucianne.
'Border Baby' boom strains S. Texas - There's a picture with the story of an illegal alien who's given birth to her fourth child on American soil at American taxpayer expense who thinks it's owed to her!
Of course the real story is how 'anchor babies' are breaking the backs of South Texas hospitals.
more...
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Why not report those illegals giving birth at public hospitals? Not that it matters I guess, when someone who is an illegal immigrant can have their face splashed all over a newspaper but not get deported.
Posted by: oddybobo at September 25, 2006 05:46 PM (mZfwW)
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She's says it's fair compensation for stuggling for this country, making it what it is.
You want to "struggle" for our country? Sign your ass up for the military and struggle for real for the country, then we will see about giving you a green card.
Their making this country what it is my ass.
Michigan has a problem with middle easten mothers coming over here, giving birth and then skipping out on the bills with their "american citizen" middle eastern kid.
When we start hearing of "american citizens" commiting terrorist acts within the US in 15 years we will know how that came about.
Posted by: Quality Weenie at September 25, 2006 07:56 PM (BksWB)
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You two are both just so cold-hearted. Have you no feelings? These are just poor people who want a better life for themselves (at your expense). Who are you to demand that your money be spent on you and not given away to every non-citizen that wants it?
Posted by: Ogre at September 25, 2006 09:35 PM (QmGzr)
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Who Runs the Military?
The big news today is that retired officers
are testifying in front of the "
Senate Democratic Policy Committee." In case you were (intentionally) mis-led by the title of the committee, this is a Democrats-ONLY committee. It's not a general Senate committee.
As you might imagine, the testimony is all about bashing Bush and anyone in his administration. But why? For what purpose? This committee was formed to
providing research and legislative support, publishing reports on important legislation and policy issues, tracking roll call votes, differentiating Democratic policy positions from Republican positions, and promoting Caucus unity and cohesion.
And
conduct oversight investigations and hold public hearings to ensure accountability in government; and 2) develop cutting-edge policy ideas through the creation of a “new idea network” with state and local government officials, think tanks, academics, and policy experts around the country.
In other words, it is a completely, 100% partisan organization with no purpose other than to advance Democrat power in the U.S. Senate. But for some reason, the press seems to ignore that portion of the committee -- it's entire purpose.
Sen. Byron Dorgan, D-N.D., the committee chairman, told reporters last week that he hoped the hearing would shed light on the planning and conduct of the war. He said majority Republicans had failed to conduct hearings on the issue, adding, "if they won't ... we will."
Again, for what purpose? Does Mr. Dorgan realize that HE is not personally in charge of the war? Does he have any clue that the military is NOT under control of the Senate? Does he even know that the President is the commander in chief of the military?
Is he trying to lead a coup against the president? Is he trying to subjugate the Constitution and take power over the military? Will factions of the military follow him? Is America now a third-world nation whose government will change based on the alliances forged with the military and political leaders? What other purpose could Mr. Dorgan have when he's trying to attack the current administration while wooing the military? He's clearly lined up military officials up on his side. For what purpose? This is certainly how other dictators have seized power in the past.
The ONLY real purpose of this publicity event is to drum up hatred for the current administration. That's all, literally nothing more. Well, if the mainstream media won't call them on it, I sure will.
How about some unity, Mr. Dorgan? How about some bipartisanship? Isn't your party the one that's always claiming to want to reach "across the aisle?" Isn't it the Democrats who claim they want to move America forward, not backwards?
This committee has zero power. They have only a partisan political agenda and purpose. They cannot dictate war policies. They have NO oversight of the military in any way, shape, or form.
Mr. Dorgan, how about doing your damn job as a U.S. Senator and focus on defeating our enemies instead of increasing your own personal political power at the expense of American lives?
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I guess Dorgan has been watching the overthrow of an elected government in Thailand. I fully expect the democrats to try a violent overthrow the U.S. government. It seems that several former military officers (Clinton promoted PC idiots) are actually comitting treason on a daily basis to cover up their failures during the 90's. They have a problem, 'most' members and former members of the military would shoot the wrong way since they know the former officers are all failures. Solution, no democrats.
Posted by: Scrapiron at September 25, 2006 04:25 PM (GIL7z)
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It sounds crazy, but then again, it sure looks like the lead up to a coup, doesn't it? If you were planning a military overthrow (followed, of course, by elections), you'd have to first get some military leaders on your side.
Posted by: Ogre at September 25, 2006 05:20 PM (oifEm)
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Intersting thinking Ogre...I think this about sums it all up. All these stupid committee meetings that waste so much money, time, effort.
Is it a coincidence also, that this report about how Iraq has sprawned more terrorists gets leaked to the NYT???
It's all an attempted coup!
Posted by: Raven at September 25, 2006 10:28 PM (YaJH5)
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What else can you call it? The coup may only be in the planning stages, but I'll bet that's because they haven't been able to line up enough CURRENT military behind them yet.
Posted by: Ogre at September 26, 2006 12:51 AM (QmGzr)
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Feds Destroy Boiling Springs, NC
Once again a misguided federal rule has horrible unintended consequences.
this time, the Fish Wildlife Service threatened a town that it might declare their town a federally protected area for a bird. So the residents of the town did they only thing they could when threatened by the federal government.
The town now has almost no trees. Over 368 logging and lot-clearing permits were issued in the past 7 months so people could cut down trees. People cut down every tree they could find. Why? Because if the bird was seen in a tree, the federal government would effectively seize every inch of land from people, making it unusable. The only way people could retain any value on their land was to completely clear-cut it before the feds could take it.
Nice job, federal government. Explain to me why we have a Fish and Game Service? Oh, right, to ensure people clearcut trees.
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I applaud the people of this town. How much do you want to bet some environmental group is going to complain about the killing of the trees.
Posted by: Contagion at September 25, 2006 04:29 PM (0m/ho)
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That was my first thought, too, Contagion. Sad, but good, quick thinking to outsmart the government. Too bad the trees had to pay for the government screwups.
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