I had provided here a lot of information about the source of the American hatred by a muslim "businessman" in Wisconsin, related to the Discount-Mats.com web site. Much information was very publicly availiable for anyone (including reporters) who wanted that information. Very suddenly, all that information has changed.
Once again, we're not dealing with a techno-illiterate American-hater here. We're dealing with someone who set up at least six related web sites that were very inactive. There were blogs that hadn't been touched in over a year, but were still registered. There were companies that appeared to have no inventory and no business. And they were all related to one another and a few other muslims who were openly critical of the US and openly hostile to America.
Overnight, all those domain registrations changed. That's not something that an average business owner who was trying to sell things over the internet would do -- especially to all the sites if they were not related. Something really stinks in WI, and it's not the fish. Folks, this is a battle for America, and we're currently losing.
Perhaps we need more people like the person who responded to the muslim like this:
Now if we could just get Washington, DC on the side of America, maybe we could win this battle.
One week ago, when one of our soldiers emailed several retailers to inquire about their shipping policies for APOs, he had no idea what would follow. He only wanted to get sleeping mats for his troops who had to sleep on the ground. Instead, as has been reported extensively, he received a rude response from a company, Discount-Mats, with an admonition to “pull out of Iraq.”
When I published the story on Sunday, I, like many others, first assumed that the business owner was merely an anti-war liberal who wanted to score a cheap political point at the expense of our soldiers. The business was immediately inundated with thousands of emails and phone calls from Americans upset by how rudely our soldier was rebuffed. I, myself, emailed three times to say I disapproved of their policies and that it was very bad for business and that I would be sure to spread the word far and wide. The website was experiencing technical difficulties by Monday and then was completely shut down.
Prior to the website’s demise, I looked it over thoroughly. I immediately discovered that the owner of the website was Faisal Khetani, who lived in West Allis, WI - near Milwaukee. I also discovered many other questionable websites that Discount-Mats.com was connected to (more on that later).
Faisal Khetani is a Muslim, of Pakistani origin, which somewhat explains his anti-war views but not his unconscionable rudeness. Now, three days after this story hit the blogosphere, the media is making a victim out of Khetani, chiding bloggers and radio hosts for fomenting the emails and traffic that overwhelmed his website. The media hasn’t bothered to look any deeper at who Faisal Khetani is, who his associates are that are involved in his business(es), or who his family is. I’ve done all of the above over the past four days - I thought it was worth taking the time to check into the background and affiliations of the Muslims invovled. What I’ve found so far is summarized below:
The Khetani Family
Faisal Khetani is 24 years old and lives with his parents, Ramzan and Amina Khetani, in West Allis. He operates his business out of their home.
Ramzan Khetani, age 55, is an engineer who works in the engineering department for Wisconsin’s state facilities. As such, he has ready access to building blueprints and site plans. Ramzan formerly operated a home-based business under the name Khetani Consulting Group, which he had established in 1999 and dissolved in March 2006.
Amina Khetani, age 55, is a data architect in the information technology industry.
Salman RamzanAli Khetani is Faisal’s older brother. He holds a Ph.D in Biomedical Engineering, and received a fellowship award from National Science Foundation (confirms the connection to Faisal - home address is the same). When you do a keyword search for Salman R Khetani, youÂ’ll find that Salman Khetani is quite knowledgable and involved in toxicity studies, engineered tissue, and disease studies.
Faisal Khetani has claimed that he “fired” the unnamed employee who sent the original rude email to SGT Hess, since the email didn’t reflect the company’s position. Then, he contradicted himself and confirmed that the company was indeed anti-war:
“As I told my local reporters, the individual who made those statements has been held responsible and liable and what they spoke of apo addresses is absolutely true, but the second half was their own personal opinion and not the opinions of the company.”
“I will say this, my company most certainly doesnÂ’t support the war, and we do hope that the policies will change.”
Faisal has claimed to the media that Discount-Mats has ten employees - and they’ve accepted his claim at face value. They’ve also reported that the unnamed employee was fired, without verifying if there was an employee. Considering the business is operated from his parents’ home, it is highly doubtful that there is an “employee”, and it’s likely that the email was from Faisal himself. There are no businesses with the name Discount Mats or Bargain Suppliers (or any variation thereof) registered in the state of Wisconsin. A search of the worker’s compensation database shows no company by those names either. It is not a legitimate business, nor does it have employees. Faisal Khetani is not telling the truth - that makes him suspect.
In that same letter, Khetani also threatened Kirkland with unleashing the wrath of “major muslim organizations” on her for her “insults”. He closed by telling Kirkland, “you can be sure that there are million of muslim activists as well that will do something about your foul statements…. your statements against Muslims and your direct insults will not go unheard, I assure you.”
Perhaps one of those major Muslim organization is the Muslim Student Association (MSA), with which the Discount-Mats “VP” is affiliated. No doubt CAIR will get involved, by default.
Khetani Associates
Sajid Nasir is the vice-president and self-described co-owner of Discount-Mats. He has issued some strong statements alleging that the Khetani family is being harassed by vulgar and angry phone calls. Sajid is also a Muslim activist on the UW-Milwaukee campus (See Update Ten for more details on his activism.).
Ahmed Bushra, 24, is an engineering student. He claims he worked at, and managed, a North Shore jewelry store in Milwaukee.
Possible peripheral contacts, based upon association with Sajid Nasir:
Furqan Hanif (replacement registrant for Sajid’s website)
Adam Abdi (Muslim activist at UW-Milwaukee)
Bogus Websites
There is an ever-increasing network of Muslim-owned websites that share the same characteristics:
1. Owned by Muslim men in their mid-20s, who live in the Milwaukee area.
2. Inter-connected and inter-linked to one another.
3. Four sites share a Paypal account under the name “Bargain Suppliers” (WLWR, BDP, QDS, DM)
4. Share same website template.
5. Identical configuration.
generic junk content
junk resources and links
basic contact form (email address and message only - for discreet online communication?)
email subscription form
many empty pages/dead links
set-up and abandoned blog sites
6. Jan 24 07: all sites changed WhoIS registry to anonymous registrant (with the exception of Discount-Mats and Quality-Discount-Scooters).
Faisal Khetani owns several wildly divergent business websites:
Faisal Khetani, in addition to owning Discount-Mats.com, is also a supposed fitness expert/consultant: Weight Lifting Workout Routines (WLWR).
He also owns Chicago Plumbing Guide, registered under the name Salman Farsi, but the same P.O. address in Milwaukee as Faisal’s other domains. This website links Faisal to the plumbing industry. (Note: What’s interesting about the choice of Salman Farsi as the registrant is that Farsi was the first Persian convert to Islam, and is credited for transcribing much of the Q’uran. However, I cannot find a live person by that name anywhere in Wisconsin, though there are plenty of buildings named after him. Conclusion? Alias.)
In addition to selling discount mats, writing weight-lifting, fat-burning and basketball drills articles, and plumbing in Chicago, Faisal, at 24, is also a self-proclaimed e-commerce expert, an online scam network marketer, and a real estate tycoon with an eye toward importing “high-volume quantities”, specifically wrist watches. Capital Renovations is a registered LLC in the state of Wisconsin. He is a very busy young man.
Sajid Nasir owns several junk info websites:
Basketball Drills and Plays. This site was registered to Sajid, but changed today to reflect a new registrant: Furqan Hanif in Springfield, IL. But they neglected to change to contact phone number - it’s still the same. Faisal is also connected to this website.
My Kitchen Backsplash. This article links him to this website, though the WhoIs record was modified today as well. This and this also link Faisal Khetani to Sajid’s website.
Yoga-Advice. Though the WhoIs registry was changed, this yoga registry, listing Sajid’s website and home address, was not.
Ahmed Bushra, 24, also owns several bogus websites:
Quality Discount Scooters. Shares a Paypal account with Discount-Mats.
Jewelry Spot.
Conclusion
It is my considered opinion that the intricate network of websites I listed is a facade - a front, if you will - for something other than selling “bargain supplies.” Anyone looking at the websites can see that they are not legitimate businesses. I think the anomalies I’ve summarized here, and the Muslims involved, require further investigation.
Furthermore, the Khetani family is highly qualified in some very technical and unusual fields, with an extraordinary amount of access to sensitive information. It would be worth checking to see what their affiliations are, if their mosque is radicalized, and who their contacts are.
This network of Muslim individuals was brought to public attention because of one Muslim’s outrageous response to a simple inquiry by one of our soldiers. It would be the height of irony if nefarious purposes were exposed because he couldn’t refrain from announcing his anti-American sentiments to an American soldier.
So I’m asking…is all this just about some smarmy internet scam artists? Or it this about a covert communication network between jihadis, money laundering, drug or arms smuggling, or a home-grown terror cell? I want to know. I’m not wrong for asking, but if my conclusions are wrong, then I’ll think about apologizing, right after Faisal Khetani sincerely apologizes to SGT Jason Hess and the fine troops of the 1st Cavalry Division.
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Ej yettis
Yes i am proad to be an infidel, who will fight against enemies of the state both foreign and domestic. I am going into the Army in March 07 to fight this world domination of those who want to take my way of life, god, and liberty. I love GOD, Yes.
Posted by: CivilTech80@yahoo.com at January 24, 2007 06:21 PM (Zwsx5)
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Well, you're certainly right in that they want to take away the American way of life. Now if we could just get them out of America...
Posted by: Ogre at January 24, 2007 08:32 PM (oifEm)
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Good work. We'll continue to follow up; we have a growing army of investigators. Or, excuse me, Ogre -- make that Corps of investigators! It's not exactly like we can count on the FBI, although there of course, there may be a few good men. But the task is huge, so let's help them out with more eyes on the monitors and fingers on the keyboards; the info war as well has front lines.
Posted by: Vicktorya at January 25, 2007 03:49 AM (mmErx)
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You bet! This is a war and it is being fought on many, many fronts!
Posted by: Ogre at January 25, 2007 12:21 PM (oifEm)
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I sure hope this information was at least passed onto some alphabet govt agencies. Somebody might take an interest in it.
Posted by: Quality Weenie at January 25, 2007 02:56 PM (BksWB)
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A number of people have indeed passed it along. What they do with it then, well, that's up to them.
Posted by: Ogre at January 25, 2007 03:58 PM (oifEm)
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Ogre....You are by far the biggest idiot I have yet to encounter using the internet. Way to clean out your blog and not answer my question/statement. Maybe it is
YOU who should think about leaving MY United States of America. It's people like you that cause un-due hate on arab/middle eastern persons. You might as well throw up your rebal flag and Nazi propaganda you hate filled redneck. My Allah have mercy on your soul.
Posted by: Elad at January 25, 2007 06:32 PM (G7Dx2)
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Ogre....You are by far the biggest idiot I have yet to encounter using the internet. Way to clean out your blog and not answer my question/statement. Maybe it is
YOU who should think about leaving MY United States of America. It's people like you that cause un-due hate on arab/middle eastern persons. You might as well throw up your rebal flag and Nazi propaganda you hate filled redneck. May Allah have mercy on your soul.
Posted by: Elad at January 25, 2007 06:33 PM (G7Dx2)
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Sorry for the double post, wouldn't want to take away from your vaulable blog space. (does sarcasm come across well).
As for the other page, I am a US Troop, I don't feel the need to try and prove that to any of you militant hate filled bloggers. You must have the stereotypes right along side the Mulsim community if you think all military service members are brainwashed bullet catchers.
As far as them "taking over" or converting us (well mainly you) to Islam...your freakin nuts! Christians are by far the worst at PUSHING their religion on others, jesus, they go to other countries and bug them about Jesus. I can't tell you the amount of Mormons I saw in Korea running around trying to convert all they saw.
With idiots like you backing us I worry, I really do...I'd rather not be supported by a group of idiots....I mean how does that affect your credability?
Thanks but no thanks.
Posted by: Dale at January 25, 2007 06:46 PM (G7Dx2)
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Elad -- you don't get out much, do you? And clean out my blog? I'm not sure what that means and have no idea what you're talking about with that one.
I'm sorry that you are honestly so clueless as to completely not understand the religion of Islam. And you actually claim that Christians are worse? You don't live in planet earth, do you?
Sure, Christians try and convert people to their religion. It goes something like this: "Hi, I'd like to tell you about Jesus. May I?"
Muslims, on the other hand, go about conversion this way: "YOU THERE. BOW DOWN AND WORSHIP MY PROPHET. FOLLOW MY RULES OR I WILL CUT OFF YOUR HEAD."
Muslims want ALL non-muslims dead or converted. And that's just the "moderate" muslims.
Posted by: Ogre at January 25, 2007 09:56 PM (pHUVv)
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I am a US Troop, What a crock, you never been in any army liberal Demos Crate. All military
in the united States sticks together. We fight for our country again terrorist.
i can't beleive someone in the miliitary would say US Troop, sounds like your a foreinger from anouther country. Your not a US Citizen.
Posted by: ej Stevens USA at January 26, 2007 12:48 PM (tIyxL)
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Poor Dale, must we insult the people of the world because you live in a cartoon world.
insult christians, Mr. US TROOP. HA HA,
please, what are you 4 years old. Only liberals insult religion, and people different then them. I'm a AMERICAN, we are a powerful REPLUBLIC. You Sir are not a AMERICAN.
I AM A US TROOP, yes, I AM A US TROOP????????????????????????????????????????????
Posted by: Dale jr. at January 26, 2007 01:48 PM (Zwsx5)
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Yeah, I'm not sure what's up with "I am a US Troop." I don't think I've ever heard anyone say that in my life.
Posted by: Ogre at January 26, 2007 01:56 PM (oifEm)
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To Dale
US TROOP, I am US TROOP, this is on CNN.com site, there articles says US Troop on the beginning of articles. Dale's not a member of the US Military, we are soldiers and military memebers.
Ron Sisco, USA
Posted by: dale jr at January 26, 2007 05:41 PM (Zwsx5)
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Sorry about the blog comment, I didn't see you archived your pages...my bad.
Wow where to start....
Like I said, I have no need or want to try and convience any of you that I am a US Troop. If you have any doubts you can look me up in the GAL...shouldn't be hard...look at my email. If you don't have access to the GAL, then too bad. I'm the last person that will give out personal information on the net.
In my branch of service we are taught to think, along with following orders, so to all you that "claim" to be service members (is that better than US Troops?) I'm sorry you are so brainwashed as to think all Muslim wish to convert you or kill you. If you believe that then why did you even accept your commission?
Discount-mats.com has every right to refuse service based on their beliefs. You can always go somewhere else (I don't believe they run a monopoly on Mats/rugs).
Remember the old days when shops had signs that read "WE RESERVE THE RIGHT TO REFUSE SERVICE TO ANYONE WE WANT" I like that idea. I built my company with my own two hands and will sell to whoever I want, that is what makes/made this country great.
As far as your "ties" to nefarious practices...give me a break....they probably changed their servers and IP's to stop people trying to do DNS/SQL attacks on them.
You people should focus your energy on other things to help soldiers, sailors, marines and Airmen (clue)...attacking on Muslim because he expressed his views is not only dumb, but harmful to all.
Any comments?
Posted by: Dale at January 30, 2007 08:39 PM (G7Dx2)
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Sorry about the blog comment, I didn't see you archived your pages...my bad.
Wow where to start....
Like I said, I have no need or want to try and convience any of you that I am a US Troop. If you have any doubts you can look me up in the GAL...shouldn't be hard...look at my email. If you don't have access to the GAL, then too bad. I'm the last person that will give out personal information on the net.
In my branch of service we are taught to think, along with following orders, so to all you that "claim" to be service members (is that better than US Troops?) I'm sorry you are so brainwashed as to think all Muslim wish to convert you or kill you. If you believe that then why did you even accept your commission?
Discount-mats.com has every right to refuse service based on their beliefs. You can always go somewhere else (I don't believe they run a monopoly on Mats/rugs).
Remember the old days when shops had signs that read "WE RESERVE THE RIGHT TO REFUSE SERVICE TO ANYONE WE WANT" I like that idea. I built my company with my own two hands and will sell to whoever I want, that is what makes/made this country great.
As far as your "ties" to nefarious practices...give me a break....they probably changed their servers and IP's to stop people trying to do DNS/SQL attacks on them.
You people should focus your energy on other things to help soldiers, sailors, marines and Airmen (clue)...attacking on Muslim because he expressed his views is not only dumb, but harmful to all.
Any comments?
Oh and Ron Sisco, US Army...I AM NOT, WILL NEVER BE, NOR WANT TO BE A SOLDIER...You Army guys are soldiers, Sept 18, 1947 made sure I would never be called a soldier again.
Posted by: Dale at January 30, 2007 08:42 PM (G7Dx2)
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No one has said that they shouldn't be able to sell the mats at all. Instead, we're just pointing out their position so that WE have the right to not buy from them. We do still have that right, don't we?
And I'm very, very sorry that you actually believe that muslims are peaceful. The goal of their religion IS to convert everyone or kill them. It's what they do, even if you don't want to believe it. Those who claim to be muslim but do not do that are not following their religious instructions, their prophets, and their leaders -- and they're not even denouncing those who do.
Posted by: Ogre at January 30, 2007 08:57 PM (oifEm)
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BTW- Someone posted above that I insulted Christians....hmmm OK. I stated fact...the only religion being insulted or slandered is Islam.
To the people that posted they are troops/soldiers...I call BS. The 2 years you did before being discharged by no means qualifies you as a troop, airmen, soldier, squid, jarhead, bullet catcher, desk jockey, flyboy or other.
I'm sure half of your bosses are now pissed that you are reading this and not changing the oil in the fries. Put your paper hat back on and start your shift, leave the grown up talk for those with an IQ above 100.
Posted by: Dale at January 30, 2007 09:04 PM (G7Dx2)
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What?
Do you even know any Muslims?
Have you ever said a word to a muslim?
Have you talked, one on one with someone who follows the koran?
Well I have, many times and in my places. I found most to be intelligent and peaceful, unlike most Christians I have ran across.
You hate them because you base your views on Fox news.
I totally agree with your right to express your opinion and ask people not to buy from Discount-mats...that's fine. You cross the line when you call them terrorists and that the sole purpose of muslims is to OVERTHROW the US....hey buddy, my brother-in-law is an Iranian/american and he saves lives everyday as a medical doctor, I'm pretty sure overthrowing the US is not high on list of things to do today.
You are IGNORANT in it's most purest form.
You my friend should take a course in World religions or even World History.
Posted by: Dale at January 30, 2007 09:15 PM (G7Dx2)
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Dale, why are you such a racist? You imply that everyone who is an Iran/American (whatever that is) is a muslim. Why do you stereotype so?
And yes, I have talked to many muslims. Go ahead, ask a practicing mulim who prays daily if they want to replace America with their own rule of law. I have yet to have one tell me they don't.
It's not ignorance, it's facts. But feel free to ignore what I posted about muslims who don't follow the queeran.
Posted by: Ogre at January 30, 2007 10:16 PM (pHUVv)
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Ok dummy, since when did racism become about ones religion? If so all those rednecks down south better put their ropes away, demographics show that the majority of black americans are Christian or in a Christian based faith.
Did I imply that ALL middle eastern americans are Muslim? I stated a member of my family practices the teachings of the Koran. You can read or not read what ever you want into my post...you seem to do that well. (or not so well, depending on you POV)
I again call BS on you talking to anyone other than Joe (white guy/girl) Blow. You are the type of stupid raciest that causes this country so much grief.
Hell I here reporters/new casters/comics and such saying the exact same thing Discount-mats.com said to the soldier who wrote them...get out of Iraq/middle east. Where is your blog on Comedy Central, CNN, The New York Times.....no my misguided friend, you choose to pick on someone you know will gather support from others such as yourself. It's easy to pick on the kid the whole school is picking on...your an internet bully with no clout.
Good luck with your misguided quest in the destruction of the Muslim way of life...who knows your one little web blog may bring down a belief system older than Christianity....(if this was a PHP board that would have been in Yellow to indicate sarcasm)
Good day to you sir!
Posted by: Dale at January 31, 2007 06:17 PM (G7Dx2)
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Typical leftist. Do one thing and then call someone else out for doing what you are doing when they're not. YOU are the one who branded all Iranians-Americans Muslim, not me.
Posted by: Ogre at January 31, 2007 09:00 PM (oifEm)
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Typical leftist. Do one thing and then call someone else out for doing what you are doing when they're not. YOU are the one who branded all Iranians-Americans Muslim, not me.
You like muslims. Good for you. I'm sure they will welcome you as long as you do as they say. If you don't, they will actively work to behead you. I don't like it, I'm just stating the facts.
As for picking on the "kid the whole school is picking on," be sure you check out the date of this post. This was posted before this was a news story and before the television news started broadcasting it.
And islam is old. Sure. Does that make it right? Should we all convert today because Islam was here first, just because you say it was? Islam is wrong. Islam is evil. I'm sorry you like it, and I'm sorry you support it. I will, indeed, fight it with my dying breath because I believe in freedom and they do not.
Posted by: Ogre at January 31, 2007 09:08 PM (oifEm)
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I wasn't saying the "picking on the Kid" in relation to your blog, but a general overview of Christian views against Muslims...it's the "in" thing to do now, bash a muslim or middle eastern person.
You show me where I branded EVERYONE who is Iranian/American as a muslim...you can't, just like your off the hip analysis of discount-mats intentions, you like to make stuff up, leaving out key factors suchs as FACTS.
I like good people, be it Muslim, Christian, Jew or Atheist. What I hate are people who fuel hate because of skin color, religion or sexual prefence....people like you!
Posted by: Dale at February 01, 2007 03:07 PM (G7Dx2)
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It's the "in thing" to bash muslims? What planet are you ON? I just wrote a post that will be up tomorrow morning that shows if you DARE to disagree with the Muslims, you're attacked in the media and in courts of law! There's no way it's the "in thing" to bash muslims. Today's "in thing" relating to muslims is to kow-tow to them and bow down and worship everything they say. Just ask the AP, that's what they do every day.
I'm sorry that you hate me. However, if you hate people that "fuel hate because of religion," you need to add all muslims to your list. Sorry, that's what they do.
Posted by: Ogre at February 01, 2007 03:55 PM (pHUVv)
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Oh, and just let me add -- I absolutely do not hate anyone because of their religion. Instead, I hate the actions of those who want to kill me and want to convert me to their religion. It just so happens that the vast majority of those who want to kill me happen to subscribe to the religion of Moohamed.
Posted by: Ogre at February 01, 2007 04:21 PM (pHUVv)
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Islam is one of the three major religious systems on the Earth.
But this is not the only reason why we need to speak about Islam. Islam expresses the ethics of the attitude of man to God in laconic and methodologically true form.
Moreover, the attitude to God, which was taught by Jesus Christ, was realized in Islam and not in the mass Christianity.
This is why it is in the field of IslamÂ’s activity (namely, in Sufism) that there are many sound spiritual schools on the Earth now.
What is Islam, specifically?
Historically, it has the roots in Judaism and Christianity. Islam esteems the Jewish prophets, Jesus Christ (in Arabic — Isa). It calls its followers to God-the-Father (in Arabic — Allah) as the Jewish prophets and Jesus understood Him. The Quran — the main holy book of Islam — contains their sayings and description of their acts. The narration in the Quran is communicated through prophet Muhammad from God, Who gives Muhammad both personal advice and explanations on the correct understanding of Him (God) and of the Path to Him.
What is the newness of Islam? Why God did not spread Christianity in the regions that are covered nowadays by Islam?
The matter is that many people calling themselves Christians strayed from the Teachings of Jesus Christ even at that time. And the modern mass Christianity has lost God, and its followers can be called Christians only relatively — only because they continue to observe the ancient Christian rites.
… Let us compare it to India. The people of India have Bhagavad Gita where there is a detailed description of what is God (in Sanskrit — Ishvara) and what man has to do in relation to this. But in India too the majority of people are unable to accept the concept of monotheism (due to the fact that in any region of the Earth, the people of early stages of psychogenetical development are in majority). So, nowadays, the followers of the mass Hinduism and Buddhism of Mahayana worship not Ishvara, Who is so vividly represented in Bhagavad Gita, but the pagan fictitious “gods”: Ganesha, Kali, etc, with corresponding iconography. And in some degenerated branches of Buddhism, this tendency has gone so far that for God there was left no room and He is denied completely.
But people relying on the Judaic and Christian Bible turned out to be in even a worse situation, since these books do not contain a description of God which can satisfy the inquiries of man on intellectual search: there God is depicted so that He becomes an object of belief and not an object of knowledge.
Therefore, the return to the pagan form of religious outlook, which is more convenient for young souls, was even easier among people involved in Christianity.
The loss of God in the mass Christianity manifested in the fact that God preached by the Judaic prophets and Jesus as the main object of attention, aspiration, and love, was superseded by the pagan cults of Nicholas the Wonder-worker and others “patron saints”, by the cult of the earthly mother of Jesus, who was, undoubtedly, a remarkable and virtuous woman, but could not understand and accept what her Son taught; once she even counted Him insane (Mark 3:21,31-35). And the main essence of the Teachings of Jesus about aspiration for cognition of God-the-Father was superseded… by religious panhandling.
It came to a point when in the Russian Orthodoxy the Universal Primordial Consciousness is pictured as an old man sitting on a cloud, and the Holy Spirit — as a pigeon.
And even more, many modern Russian people of the Orthodox faith have, in the center of their attention, demons, warlocks, vampires. And the temple for them became a place for cultivating mystical fear, a place of damnations, hatred, and not the school in which one learns to love people and God.
It is important to note, that the pagan tendency was legalized by Orthodoxy already in the liturgical tradition, where very good, but not Divine woman Maria, the mother of Jesus, is called “my all-blessing Queen”, “Our Lady”, and we are her slaves with no hope to receive help from anyone, only she can help (God in this case, as one can see, is of no importance).
And, seeing the beginning of this tendency, God once again repeated through prophet Muhammad, that people have to concentrate attention on the Total Universal God-Creator and devote their lives to Him.
The word Islam, by the way, is translated as “obedience to God”, and the word Muslim — as “devoted oneself to God”.
The essence of Islam is expressed in two formulas: “La ilaha illallah” — “there is no god besides God” and “Allahu akbar” — “God is great” (of course, “great” not in the sense, that He is such a notable, fearsome, and mysterious person, whom one has to respect and be afraid of, but that the Divine Consciousness has really no borders in the universe and that God is really the Almighty Creator and the Governor of the destinies of the entire Creation and every one of us).
Having the example of degeneration of faith of many Christians, Muslims even decided to take such extreme measures as interdiction of pictorial and sculptural images of people and animals, so that one does not get tempted to worship them (this interdiction was slightly softened only recently).
One may ask: why it is so important — to direct the attention mainly at God-the-Father, instead of, say, Jesus Christ or another Avatar? It turns out, that it is really of principal importance from the standpoint of the methodology of spiritual development. It is so, because only strict monotheism predisposes to actualization in mature adherents of the need to study and explore practically the multidimensional structure of the Creation and to making their search of the Creator, the Purpose, the Teacher being directed to the depths of this structure, instead of being directed “on a plane” in coarse spatial dimensions, what is peculiar to pagans.
Posted by: Dale at February 01, 2007 06:47 PM (G7Dx2)
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You're a muslim. I get it. I still absolutely refuse to be forced into your religion. According to your religion, you must now kill me. Your attempts to kill me is what I hate.
Posted by: Ogre at February 01, 2007 07:17 PM (pHUVv)
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Yes you got it, according to MY religion you must now die...I'm sorry but's just the way it is.
WOW!
I have yet to attempt to kill anyone, other than combat.
BTW- I am not Muslim....I could debate all day with you that there is no god...that would be a good discussion between us. I'm not so great at religious discussions because I feel unqualified, but a debate about God has nothing to do with religion...wanna go there?
Posted by: Dale at February 02, 2007 02:25 PM (G7Dx2)
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Okay, so you're not a Muslim now. And to you there is no god. But you support Muslims and believe they should be allowed their religion -- which includes killing both you and I. Reality really is lost on you, isn't it?
Posted by: Ogre at February 02, 2007 02:34 PM (oifEm)
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Just because I don't think there is a god, does not mean I won't support others in their quest for spirtual enlightenment.
You guys can believe what ever you want, Christians want to kill Muslims, Muslim want to kill Christians...I'll let you guys kill off each other and I'll assume command of the world....it's all part of my master plan.
Supreme Leader Dale...has a nice ring don't cha think?
Posted by: Dale at February 05, 2007 03:16 PM (G7Dx2)
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Thanks for once again making my point for me. The Muslims will be just as happy to kill you off as they will anyone else who is non-muslim. They really don't care if you're atheist or Christian or Buddist.
Posted by: Ogre at February 05, 2007 03:56 PM (oifEm)
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As will Christians, just ask the abortion doctors and the Indians.
You people kill in the name of your religion, and then condem other religions for doing the same thing.
Posted by: Dale at February 05, 2007 04:07 PM (G7Dx2)
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I wonder if you system would survive the shock of seeing the actual world that exists instead of the fantasy-land in which you shelter yourself.
Posted by: Ogre at February 05, 2007 08:37 PM (oifEm)
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