? Before you stop reading and run away screaming, realize this isn't really a post about evolution and intelligent design! The post linked to above's full title is "The Intrinsic Evil of Evolutionary Humanism." That's a bit more accurate.
Read that report if you get a moment. It's not too long, and it's well-written. It describes the decline of civilization through the 20th century, and I think it's pretty darn accurate. Yes, it will make you uncomfortable if you don't think that there's an absolute truth, or even if you don't like people talking about "morals" because you have none.
It describes how communism helped to destroy and eliminate a hundred million living people. It then helps describe where all those people who support those ideas which caused those deaths have gone (they didn't just disappear, you know).
It then gets really bad and talks about controlling the human population. Take a look, it might make you think a little.
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I can agree with some of those things. Some things are miss quoted or misleading but most are scary.
I have always believed that Christanity is dead for the most part and religion will fall into decline until some event (World War III, Global Disaster or Virus) will come along and people will go into another "Dark Age" that will result in another religions creation.
Besides religion is designed to bring hope, morals, and purpose for life, not to be absolute and rigid. That is why it is called faith not fact. In order for religion to become effective it must be practiced and taught starting at home. The morals people want should be taught in school and also by parents in order to be learned.
I will admit I am not the most religious person as I do not go to church, but my still instilled in me good morals and values. I still carry and see them through everyday.
Posted by: Arbitratorofall at December 13, 2005 03:41 PM (/k+l4)
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Religion in the US has been declining rapidly since the 1960s. There are explosions of religion in other places in the world, like Africa. It could be claimed that this is in response to AIDS in Africa, as you point out.
And what's interesting about morals and religion -- if you have morals, they have to come from SOME sort of religion.
That's what the linked report is really pointing to -- that when you remove all religion and all absolute truth, civilization declines.
Posted by: Ogre at December 13, 2005 03:46 PM (/k+l4)
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I don't know about the religion being a must for good morals and values since my entire family is far from religious. Some went to church when younger, some now off and on.
Think of this, Neanderthals had some form of religion similar to Hellenistic or Chinese, but what if the religion came form a persons morals and values instead of the other way. Look at the Bible and how different the two creation stories are. How about the New and Old Testaments differences and what the world was going through at the time.
Posted by: Arbitratorofall at December 13, 2005 03:54 PM (/k+l4)
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Well the idea of good morals has to have a base in religion -- otherwise the question of WHY is that moral a good thing?
Even heading back into history, how can something be defined as "good?" It can be "good" for me to murder people in cold blood and take their money -- after all, I'd benefit, right? So when you ask why that is wrong, you get into absolute truth -- which some people cannot stand.
Even if you don't show religion, somehow people know what is right and wrong -- even if they won't admit it.
Posted by: Ogre at December 13, 2005 04:00 PM (/k+l4)
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I think it interesting that when I have conversations with people and they tell me that they have morals outside of a religious structure they often tell me.."I believe we should treat others the way we want to be treated." Not realizing that that saying comes straight from the Bible. I get the impression that their moral sensibilities are just left over bits of their estranged religious beliefs.
About the article, some of those quotes were taken out of context. In fact, many of those quoted agree that the population control people are out of control and were trying to make a point. I will agree that Malthusians who would like to see people die to save the planet from humans are behind many of the "social movements" in recent years
Posted by: Mindflame at December 13, 2005 04:47 PM (kJZEb)
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That's the point I was alluding to, Mindflame -- it's all got to start somewhere!
And yes, the last portion of that article did seem to get a little far fetched...but not too far, if you ask me...
Posted by: Ogre at December 13, 2005 04:59 PM (/k+l4)
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I think it was stretching alittle to far for my tastes. The article seems to be saterical in nature in some ways. So, the misquotes could just be for a quick jab.
Posted by: Arbitratorofall at December 13, 2005 05:32 PM (/k+l4)
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I don't have the context of who wrote that article or anything else about it, so I can't say if it was compeletely serious or entirely satirical...
Posted by: Ogre at December 13, 2005 05:56 PM (/k+l4)
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