Some may forget, but I do not.
Look, liberals, you don't like me fighting terrorists. You don't want me spending tax money killing people who want me dead. Well I don't want you spending tax money on welfare, food stamps, and "public" education. When you stop spending my money on crap I don't like, I'll stop supporting spending money on defending our country.
Many liberals believe that terrorists are nice people. They honestly believe that all people are good and if we'd just be nice, they'd be nice in return. They believe that since people are good, only society is evil, and therefore incorrect society is what causes evil in people. Therefore, fix society and everyone will be happy. Sorry, they're wrong.
In addition, Robert P seems to think that it is "hatred" to state facts. Sorry, Robert P, facts are not emotional. They neither hate nor love, they just are. It is factual that the Muslims have been fighting non-Muslims for hundreds of years. It's factual that their own religious book requires them to kill non-believers. It is factual that their own religion requires them to take over the world.
Claiming "right-wing hatred" over exposing the facts that you don't like is simply wrong. I don't like the fact that there are so many registered Democrats in North Carolina who vote for socialists. That doesn't make the Board of Elections (where I got that information) "full of hate."
MUSLIM TERRORISTS WANT US DEAD. THEY WILL NOT STOP UNTIL WE ARE DEAD OR WE SURRENDER. We are faced with a choice: kill them or live in dhimmitude. There is no "singing a song" peaceful other option.
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Ogre, when you get right down to it, the liberal mindset isn't one that is based on reality. The liberal mindset is based on hopes and dreams. Some liberals become so immersed in their own dreams that they loose sight of reality and the world around them. Those types of liberals are often referred to as being "Progessive".
Posted by: The Reckoning at August 10, 2006 01:20 PM (M5zWC)
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Indeed. It is based on good intentions. They honestly believe that everyone is good. That simple belief is what's at total odds with reality. You see, that belief makes no one responsible for their own actions, allowing you to blame anything, or anyone else for everything evil.
Posted by: Ogre at August 10, 2006 01:33 PM (/k+l4)
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Agreed. "Individual freedom" and "individual responsibility" are terms that make liberals, especially the hippie "progressives" over at BlueNC, cringe.
Posted by: The Reckoning at August 10, 2006 02:43 PM (M5zWC)
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But I find it interesting when you try and determine WHY it is that those things bother them. It's their worldview -- and the view that no one is bad or evil. I have no idea how to change that view. Unless that view changes, they will continue to support nanny-state socialism.
Posted by: Ogre at August 10, 2006 02:50 PM (/k+l4)
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You said:
They honestly believe that everyone is good.
I said:
I can tell you that "Muslim" includes wonderful families that care about their children and family and don't give a crap about killing Jews. Not a whit. They are living their lives, just trying to get by, but no, Ogre thinks they should be killed, murdered, just because of their religion.
You said:
Folks, there is NO simply solution. The ONLY way to have "lasting peace" is to either surrender to the Muslims or kill them all. Period.
Points:
1. You are a liar.
2. I never said they were all good, just like not all Christians are good.
3. Just because all Christians are not good, you wouldn't kill them all, would you?
4. So, just because some muslims are bad, why are you willing to kill them all?
5. That's immoral.
Posted by: RobertP at August 10, 2006 03:55 PM (5swqh)
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Robert P- I have yet to find ONE Muslim who TRULY condones all acts of terrorism. NOT ONE. In fact, I have yet to meet many who even define terrorism as it really is. The acts on 9-11, for example, are considered a sanctioned attack because of this, because of that...all the excuses are given and fully believed by these freaks.
The Middle East cannot contain it's terrorists. They are spreading like a virus. The virus has no cure...except to be totally destroyed at it's core- which is located in those nations we call the ME.
So yes. Kill them all. Let them start anew.
It's them. Ot it's us. I chose US.
Posted by: Raven at August 10, 2006 07:01 PM (kVReA)
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Ogre I'm borrowing one of your paragraphs here for a quote I'm putting up at my site. SO PROFOUND.
"Many liberals believe that terrorists are nice people. They honestly believe that all people are good and if we'd just be nice, they'd be nice in return. They believe that since people are good, only society is evil, and therefore incorrect society is what causes evil in people. Therefore, fix society and everyone will be happy. Sorry, they're wrong."
Posted by: Raven at August 10, 2006 07:02 PM (kVReA)
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Thanks, Raven. That is a deep point which many liberals do not even acknowledge -- as can be seen by Robert P's statement above.
Robert P., you're missing the point. I was not trying to quote your post, or I would have quoted it. I'm trying to point out your worldview. Your view states that people are good. Do you even realize that? For example, when you see a brand-new infant, do you think that they are evil or good? I'm saying that you believe they are good.
You're also trying to make this as if *I* was the one who set the conditions. That is not correct, the Koran and those who follow it are the ones who have delivered the ultimatum. THEY are the one who have presented us with the choice to surrender or die. I would gladly choose another option, but they will not offer any other choice. That's the point that you're not getting.
If I were given a choice, I would tell everyone to be happy and free and live in their own lands. However, the MUSLIM RELIGION says No, people of Islam MUST take over the world or die trying. I present them with the option to stay in their own lands. They answer that by attacking me. They have then decided that they will die or kill me. I choose that they should die rather than me.
The only reason I know this is so hard for you to understand, Robert P, is because your underlying idea that people are good.
Posted by: Ogre at August 10, 2006 07:33 PM (/k+l4)
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Ogre, You are spot on with this. The argument you make against the liberal mindset is the simplest version I've heard yet. If the liberal mindset can't grap that reasoning they are truly a lost cause.
BTW, It seems like the left is getting their wish, evidently we are in the "appeasing" phase with hezbollah, lets take a look at how this works out.
Pay attention boys and girls this is going to be another lesson on how not to handle problems.
Visit Yoni (Israeli former military)
His link is on my left side bar, for some reason i can't add a link here
Posted by: Robert at August 11, 2006 03:25 AM (n6n5e)
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And contrary to rumors spread by Robert P., neither he, nor anyone else, has been banned here for commenting. The only bans are on spam addresses that give spammy comments.
Posted by: Ogre at August 11, 2006 12:32 PM (/k+l4)
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I certainly don't think that terrorists are "nice people," and I don't think we should appease them or be doormats. But I also don't think bombing the Middle East back to the Stone Age is a solution, either. Every heavy-handed reaction, whether justified or not, only serves to fuel their hatred of us, and creates new generations of Islamic radicals, like the home-grown ones the U.K. has been pumping out. These terrorists are so full of hate that they’re beyond rehabilitation, and all we can do is be vigilant, and lock them up if they conspire against us. But the answer to terrorism isn't more killing but stopping the cycle of violence and revenge, and trying to be better citizens of the planet. Do you really think Jesus would suggest killing all Muslims as a way of ridding the world of terrorists? You posted a cartoon of an Arab boot crushing a church steeple, so I assume you remember His words in Matthew 5:43-45? Or in Luke 6:27-36: “But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. Do to others as you would have them do to you.” Now I don’t advocate basing American foreign policy on one religion, and I’m not saying we should give up our country to the terrorists, but it’s incredible that you are really mocking people who follow Jesus’ teachings as a bunch of daisy-picking hippies. Tell me, who would Jesus bomb?
Posted by: ArsenicJulep at August 11, 2006 10:12 PM (qKM2/)
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So, then, ArsenicJulep, I'll put you down in the category of surrendering to Islam. So tell me, what will you tell Jesus when you worship Allah because of your surrender?
Posted by: Ogre at August 12, 2006 05:55 PM (QmGzr)
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So, you disagree with Jesus on this one. Oh, right, because you know better. Ever read Dostoyevsky's "The Grand Inquisitor"? Read it and then get back to me.
Posted by: Arsenic Julep at August 14, 2006 10:15 AM (FCqII)
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I wasn't disagreeing with Jesus at all. Instead, I was inquiring how to square your interpretation with Jesus. You are claiming that in this case, Jesus says to not fight. Therefore, you have chosen to worship Allah. I'm wondering how that fits with everything else the Bible says.
Posted by: Ogre at August 14, 2006 11:09 AM (/k+l4)
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