1 thanks for the link, Ogre

2 Oh, come on Oggie. You can do better than this! This guy's argument is based upon impact on taxes! Are tax receipts your basis of making a judgement? Then he gets into "dumping of products"! Are you now against competition? That's all "product dumping" is. If your company was able to produce the same product as mine does, but at a lower price -- would that be "product dumping"? Please. http://charlottecapitalist.blogspot.com/2006/04/immigration-escape-from-slavery.html Andy Clarkson

3 You bet, Indian! And Andy, I didn't say that's the ONLY issue! I just liked it as a logical argument supplying even MORE evidence against illegals. As I said, I really liked the logical deduction and process of showing the effect on government and taxes.

4 Andy, sometimes you gotta be realistic. Do you see the welfare state disappearing anytime soon? No, didn't think so. Besides, the majority of the US believes in some sort of welfare state. So you give them an argument using their assumptions and principles as to why illegal immigration is a bad idea. I don't like the welfare state AT ALL, but as long as it exists, I'm going to be subsidizing three other households' government expenditure. I don't want to see that become 4 or 5. What you're doing is fighting a two front war. Your plan requires attacking an idea that courtesy of FDR and the European Propaganda Machine is practically sacred to half the population. And THEN confronting immigration. Not smart, IMO. One battle at a time. I'll argue against illegal immigration, and i'll argue against the welfare state. But I won't do that at the same time in the same argument.

5 Excellent points. I really can dream about the welfare state going away...I'm not sure it's possible, but I can certainly hope, can't I?