April 15, 2006
MORE Cash for Education
Will there ever be an end to the continuous lies and deception used to take money from those who work and earn it so it can be given to those who DO NOT work? Well, not as long as there are Democrats in North Carolina, apparently.
Well, if you define "best" as costing the most -- not the students, mind you, but to the taxpayers; and as a rubber-stamp institute where you get a degree for paying the money without actually learning anything; then sure, they're the best.
That's the liberal way -- create a crisis. It's the end of the world. Give money or people will die. Also, please note: 35 years ago. In other words, just 35 years ago, there was no state university system. Does that mean NO ONE got education? Was there no way to be education beyond high school before the state got in the way?
Why not? The Observer attempts to sell this as being "affordable." It's crap. There is no reason at all that the citizens of North Carolina should be forced to pay 75% of the cost of an education that has little value to anyone. The more college degrees you give away, the less value they ALL have.
Once again with the money. This is how socialism and the Observer work -- they want more money taken from people who work so that it can be spent on people who do not work. Tell me why I should work again? I can just keep going to North Carolina schools and actually get PAID to do so. Leeches unite behind the Observer and the Democrat-controlled legislature.
Again, the socialist bent of the Observer comes out in force here. For those who don't understand that position outlined, it goes like this: We need to take money from those who work and use it to advance our own, personal social and economic agenda, because we can't find any people who will actually support it!
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Erskine Bowles, a lifetime far-left liberal Democrat was recently installed as president of the North Carolina University System. He's strongly supported by the also far-left liberal Charlotte Observer, who strongly encourages him to spend more, more, more, and MORE money that they didn't earn. A few choice quotes from the Observer:
North Carolina's public university system is among the nation's best. In no small part, that's because the state's taxpayers have supported it generously and because its leaders focused on keeping costs low and keeping academic integrity high.
Well, if you define "best" as costing the most -- not the students, mind you, but to the taxpayers; and as a rubber-stamp institute where you get a degree for paying the money without actually learning anything; then sure, they're the best.
Yet the challenges facing the state's 16-campus system are formidable -- perhaps more so than at any time since its inception some 35 years ago.
That's the liberal way -- create a crisis. It's the end of the world. Give money or people will die. Also, please note: 35 years ago. In other words, just 35 years ago, there was no state university system. Does that mean NO ONE got education? Was there no way to be education beyond high school before the state got in the way?
Obviously not. And if the state university system were to go away tomorrow, the only people who would suffer would be government bureaucrats. EVERYONE else would prosper, prices would drop, there would be massive competition, and huge amounts of employment all over the state. But the Democrats in Raleigh would lose control and would not be able to spend as much money. So, what's bad for everyone else is good for Democrats -- and the Democrats will support that every day of the week.
Students should pay no more than 25-30 percent of what it costs to build and operate our state universities.
Why not? The Observer attempts to sell this as being "affordable." It's crap. There is no reason at all that the citizens of North Carolina should be forced to pay 75% of the cost of an education that has little value to anyone. The more college degrees you give away, the less value they ALL have.
Education is expensive. It's not for everyone. But anyone who wants the money can GET the money -- without it being forced from taxpayers. If the taxpayers had more money, there'd be MORE grants and scholarships for the students who really NEED and can EARN the money. And no, criminal invaders should not get a deal on their "higher" education, either.
Mr. Bowles needs to persuade the state legislature that taxpayer dollars must support a larger share of colleges' costs
Once again with the money. This is how socialism and the Observer work -- they want more money taken from people who work so that it can be spent on people who do not work. Tell me why I should work again? I can just keep going to North Carolina schools and actually get PAID to do so. Leeches unite behind the Observer and the Democrat-controlled legislature.
Public universities have an obligation to use resources to address onerous social problems and economic needs.
Again, the socialist bent of the Observer comes out in force here. For those who don't understand that position outlined, it goes like this: We need to take money from those who work and use it to advance our own, personal social and economic agenda, because we can't find any people who will actually support it!
In the free marketplace of ideas, the Observer and their positions lose -- and they KNOW it. Therefore, the only way they can advance their ideas is by forcing people to pay for them against their will. And their only hope to continue that path is to get more socialists and Democrats in charge in North Carolina -- despite what the actual working people of North Carolina want and desire.
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If ignorance is bliss .....
Where does this writer come up with the ideas that fill his hateful, misinformed screed? I suggest that he study the impact of and benefit of the state university systems have had across this nation.
I suggest he also look at the economic impact of these universities and colleges. From drawing out of state business into a state, to driving local business around their campuses.
This guy rants and waves all for the want of saving 6 bucks on his taxes, at the cost of billions to our state.
Posted by: Dan Andrews at April 15, 2006 02:02 PM (8Cru2)
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I second Dan's comments. A well-funded and accessible public university system repays its costs several times over.
This Ogre needs to crawl back under his rock.
Posted by: Robert at April 15, 2006 03:05 PM (xtk+J)
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You are both showing your preference for destruction of freedom. You assume that only the government can produce the results you seek. Again, I'd like to point out that this university system didn't exist 35 years ago. So how is it possible that anyone got educated? How did we have a functioning economy?
Answer: The Free Market. There would be a much better economic impact on the state if people were FREE to spend their money and build schools to compete with one another. There would be MORE schools and they would cost LESS due to competition.
And "Drawing out of state business into a state?" First, again, that would be better achieved by private companies, and second, how is that a proper function of government?
A "well-funded" university system is just a place for government to waste enormous piles of taxpayer money that they shouldn't have in the first place.
But hey, thank you both for stopping by!
Posted by: Ogre at April 15, 2006 03:37 PM (2eMZT)
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Hmmmmm....obviously your private school education did not pay off, or your lack of education and ability to do your own research is showing. Sorry to tell you, but 35 years ago was the date that all 16 state universities merged into a university system, not when public education at the university level was available in NC. The first state university in the country was opened in 1795(it was chartered in 1789) - The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. My excellent education from said university has allowed me to point out your ignorance and your inability to conduct basic research about your topics before writing.
In other words, a state-supported education has been available in North Carolina for the past 211 years or so. Before the excellent educational opportunities provided by UNC-Ch were available, most people were...um...ignorant, like you. If you would like to know more about the different universities in the system there's this really great thing called the internet.......
Posted by: The Southern Dem at April 15, 2006 04:41 PM (BJemF)
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I'm glad your education (that I paid for) from such a fine liberal institution has given you the unique ability to read my mind and toss about insults when someone disagrees with your philosophy that includes taking from the producers and gives to those who do nothing.
But thanks for stopping by to show the world how smart you are.
Posted by: Ogre at April 15, 2006 08:04 PM (2eMZT)
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Ogre,
Afraid you are off the mark on several counts. It is the public university system that has allowed the cream of poor society to advance. Private universities will give educations to functional morons like George W. Bush to enter and graduate without learned anything.
On the other hand, public institutions take those that have no connections, but brilliance in abundance, and give them a chance.
Many of our nation's best and brightest went to Public Schools. There is a reason the G.I. Bill was designed. Unless of course you would block giving our World War II Veteran's a chance at education?
Where DO you draw the line? Do you support farm subsidies? Do you support our subsidies for insurance companies and oil companies that are raking in record profits? What about veteran's health care? Care for our seniors? Is it just poor people you don't think deserve our help?
Posted by: Robert P at April 15, 2006 08:31 PM (txSdK)
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Just want to point out that I am taking care of two kids - thus the incredibly poor grammar.
Posted by: Robert P at April 15, 2006 08:33 PM (txSdK)
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Ogre - you cast the insults first by saying my education was meaningless. It's one thing to bitch about having your tax dollars subsidizing public education, it's another thing entirely to insult those of us who attended these universities. Believe it or not, I had to work pretty hard for my degree. I not only studied hard, but I worked two jobs to pay for my tuition and living expenses. Also, I'm probably old enough that you couldn't possibly have contributed one lick to my education.
I didn't read your mind. I read your article and was offering criticism of your lack of research. If you find my sarcasm insulting then maybe, just maybe you will think first before making such unfounded blanket statements like, "Well, if you define "best" as costing the most -- not the students, mind you, but to the taxpayers; and as a rubber-stamp institute where you get a degree for paying the money without actually learning anything; then sure, they're the best."
Posted by: The Southern Dem at April 15, 2006 09:43 PM (BJemF)
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Robert P -- Are you implying that private schools do not admit smart people, only rich people? You seem to think that an education from a private university is worth less than a government-run school.
Where do I draw the line? At freedom. When I become king, no farm subsidies, no insurance company subsidies, no oil company subsidies. Veteran's health care is a separate issue, because it's paying back those who made this country free (what little freedom we have). Care for our seniors? Why? By what right do they claim my labor for themselves? I think that's incredible selfish.
You go with the classic complain of socialists and liberals -- "Oh you don't care about the poor." That's completely and totally wrong. I happen to care about everyone, and especially about freedom. It is NOT charity to take money from someone who earns it to give it to "the poor" -- it's called theft.
SouthernD -- do you seriously think there is education going on in those institutions? You got your degree long ago -- when is the last time you talked to a current student? I deal with them on a weekly basis -- you'd be shocked how many of them don't know how to calculate OVERTIME. Seriously.
I was talking with some students the other day and asked them about the square root of 8. Almost half of them agreed that there was no such number.
And yes, if you got your degree long ago, before the state was paying the vast majority of the costs, then I didn't pay for it. Today's students have MOST of the cost of their education paid for by ME because I work. Silly me, huh?
As for reading my mind, I was well aware of that date 35 years ago and what it actually did. That wasn't the point. The point is that most of the supporters of government education argue that no one would be educated without the government education system -- and that's just plain wrong.
I also don't have a private education.
Posted by: Ogre at April 16, 2006 12:29 AM (2eMZT)
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I have a private university educaiton, Ogre, and I think you're a moron.
Posted by: DFL at April 16, 2006 01:21 AM (8+C5x)
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I'm a current UNC student, 'bout to graduate. I've worked hard and I have a good job lined up. I don't consider myself to be an exception.
Posted by: Lance at April 16, 2006 02:36 AM (ceP10)
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Thank you for showing your vast literary abilities and the educational skills that provided you, DFL, with the ability to call names. I know quite a few people without any education that have that ability.
And Lance, I never said that people who went to University were stupid, nor did I say they didn't work hard. The point of this post was to show the waste of taxpayer money. Yes, I AM saying that college educations are worth less today -- all the relevant economic and other indicators will show you so -- any time you have MORE of something, it's value goes down.
I'm glad that you have a good job lined up -- in that case you are an exception. Did you know that about 30% of movie ushers and employees at movie theatres have college educations?
Thanks for stopping along, everyone.
Posted by: Ogre at April 16, 2006 11:43 AM (2eMZT)
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