1 The problem with your argument, other than being a strawman with no basis is reality, is what would happen if it WERE passed. You open the door for every student to sue/fight every teacher for things that have no relation to their pedagogical purpose. Science professors would be sued to stop teaching that "evolution" stuff. Health professionals would be sued to stop teaching that AIDS is NOT caused by gays. History professors would be sued to stop teaching that the holocuast happened. For a group that says there are too many frivolous lawsuits, you guys sure do want to make a lot of laws that would lead to frivolous lawsuits.

2 Just because you would attempt to sue a school for teaching the holocaust never happened and attempt to make that mean that the holocaust isn't related to a course on European history doesn't mean that anyone else on the planet is crazy enough to try such lunacy. There's the straw man you're looking for. Oh, and by the way? Someone could file exactly that lawsuit NOW, without needing approval from the student senate.

3 With this .... wait, the student senate? You're kidding right, your posting on student senate decisions? If anything, this shows that the state's ag school believes more in freedom of expression than the Republican Party.

4 Yes, they do -- as long as you describe "freedom of expression" as the state taxpayers being forced at gunpoint to pay for people to introduce any position they want (such as ultra-liberal, socialist, communist, anti-American, treasonous, etc.) in a class at a class in a state school that is supposed to be teaching Algebra.

5 The idea that professors at State are introducing ultra-liberal, socialist, communist, anti-American , treasonous ideas in class is B.S.. Prove it. And, don't link some far-right group that simply repeats lies over and over, actually prove it. Now. It should be easy, since you are SO CERTAIN that it is happening at state. Let's see your proof, right now. I'll give you five minutes or consider yourself called for B.S.

6 Ok, let's try that tactic based on your comments: The idea that every student to sue/fight every teacher for things that have no relation to their pedagogical purpose is b.s. Prove it. And don't link some far-left group that simply repeats lies over and over, actually prove it. Now it should be easy, since you are SO CERTAIN that they will. Let's see your proof, right now. I'll give you 5 minutes or consider yourself called for B.S.

7 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1560734/posts http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-01-12-christian-school_x.htm http://atheism.about.com/b/a/202438.htm Okay, there are links to Republican spies in the classroom; what do you think the purpose of that is? Then, a link about a religious group suing over ID not being accepted by colleges as a science course. Then, a teacher, actually, suing that she shouldn't have to teach the holocaust without teaching the opposing view that it never happened. That took 30 seconds, I found no hard proof from you that any State college professor is teaching, what was it? Socialist, communist, anti-American classes? You, are, full, of, B.S. I never expected you to answer, Neocons don't deal in truth. The entire faction would rather be loud than right.

8 Thank you for actually very effective proving my point for me! You see, people CAN sue without the resolution you claim will allow them to sue! So, now that your only opposition to the resolution has been destroyed by you, why do you now oppose freedom for students?

9 What this proves is that there would be an institutional policy that put right on the side of any wacko that wanted to sue. Once again, loud rather than right.

10 I'm glad to see that you're finally in agreement with me -- that the school senate should have passed this resolution.

11 Wait a minute. Now suing (stupidly I might add) because your History prof taught about WWII and the holocaust is the same as suing a prof who fails you because you're a Republican? I'm sorry Robert, but even attending college in Texas (which is definately NOT liberal), I had a professor threaten to fail me if I DIDN'T write my essay on why Gore (or Kerry) should have won the election. I went to the dean, and ultimately to the PRESIDENT OF THE ENTIRE COLLEGE DISTRICT and told them that I expressed my views that Gore (and Kerry) were not in the least bit qualified to be President, and that I was told I would FAIL THE CLASS if I wrote a paper saying that they did not win, and that it was good they didn't. Know what I was told, I was told that since he is tenured, that he can teach anything he wants to (even stuff that is not related to the subject matter for the class) and they CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT! Meaning, he could have told the class to write an essay about why Islam is better than Christianity. This would have personally made me very upset and uncomfortable, but I could not write anything else without failing, and the school couldn't do anything about it, and guess what, I used that example with the Dean and College District President, and they agreed. So, as long as these tenured professors are protected in any way, academic freedom does not exist, and there will also be professors teaching what does NOT relate to their subject, and those who threaten to FAIL YOU for not AGREEING with them. And just so you know, I'm not quoting some "right wing site" and saying it was me, it is my personal experience here!

12 And the worst part about that situation, Smokey? That *I* am personally forced to pay those people's salaries. That's just wrong.

13 Smoke, That professor should have been fired, plain and simple. This attempt by the right is just another in a long line of imposing their will on the entire country.

14 Minor correction, RobertP, that's the attempt by the LEFT to impose their views on everyone else by using forced taxpayer funds and a captive audience.

15 Even more minor correction, you mean it is the right that is trying to pass laws so that any free speech against their positions will be met with strict censure. Sounds familiar, fascist one might even say.

16 By "censure," you mean that telling college instructors that are getting paid by ME that they can't base their grades for their algebra class on political affiliation or protest attendance, then yes, I'm all for it. Since you oppose it, does that mean it is ok as me, as an instructor in English to give any student an "A" in my class who donates to the RNC? How about if I spend 20 hours of class time inviting politicians running for office -- only republicans -- to talk to the class. Can I give extra credit for my English class to those students who work on a Republican campaign and not a Democrat campaign?