Who's Alive?
This week for the Christian Views Symposium (sponsored by
Cross Blogging, the letter "A", and the number

, Lennie asks
quite a question.
Now, I'm going to provide my answer to this one. However, the more I see, read, and talk to people, the more I realize that most people are completely locked into one point of view on this issue and NOTHING will change their view.
Ok, that's fine. If you've already got a position, and you're not interested in changing your position, it's a (somewhat) free country. If your position is opposite mine, please don't take this time to rant and rave and tell me how wrong I am. Count me in the camp of having made my mind up and you're not going to change it.
This issue is quite a sensitive one, and by answering the question, I'm probably going to lose some readers. Well, if that's the case, then that's the case. Blogs are about opinions, so I'm giving mine. I might regret posting this, but what they heck, right?
Ok, on to the question (with lots of context about it here):
1. If a fetus (baby) is incapable of living outside the womb, do you believe that it is okay to have the choice to abort it? Please explain.
2. If your answer was noÂ… is there ever a time when the choice to abort is okay? Please explain.
1. No.
That's not my job, nor your job (even if you're a medical doctor reading this). I do not believe humans are supposed to determine life and death in that manner. How can anyone really know that it really is incapable of living outside the womb?
I have seen and experienced death and abortions up close and personal. I have had close friends who have been faced with this exact decision. I have a couple of very close friends who had a baby that was put on life support as soon as it was born. And I have killed other men.
It is indeed somewhat true when those who say if you haven't experienced it, you do not really know how you will react. I honestly believe that when the creator decides that he wants a life, he's taking it.
I do not know what it could be like as a doctor, who supposedly agrees to do all he can to save life, to decide to kill life. It absolutely baffles me. I cannot imagine sitting in an office and telling someone, "Gee, maam, I think you should let me kill this baby of yours."
As for question #2, I certainly cannot think of any time.
The classic line that the liberals hold strong faith to is the "for the health of the mother."
Now this evokes images of a woman being killed by her baby in a violent manner. Of course, the liberals typically interpret "health of the mother" to be physical, emotional, and financial -- so literally if a woman could not financially "afford" a baby, to many of those who use this line, that's a valid reason.
There are so many couples who want children who cannot have them -- if one person cannot afford or desires a child, why kill it when it could bring so much joy to another?
Incest? Who are you to judge what one's "quality of life" will be?
Rape? That's the only case where there might be some argument and you might be able to convince me.
I am in the camp that believes life begin at conception. If you don't want to have children or even worry about abortions, why not try not having sex until marriage? Just a thought.
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Well. I'm a woman, and a mom, but my own viewpoints seem to diverge greatly from those of most women I know.
To me it's a no-brainer that life begins at conception. There. That's out of the way.
Roe/Wade should never have been entwined in the S. Court to begin with, I'm sick of it being the primary issue every blasted time there's an S. Court nominee (as if no other issues exist in this world), abortion has zero to do with the Constitution and vice-versa, and it should be returned to the individual state legislatures and their residents to decide, which they are PERFECTLY CAPABLE OF DOING. Sorry. Sore subject.
Now. Here's a little story I rarely tell. In 1977 I had one. I have regretted it all my life. I was in the 1% failure window while on the Pill (no, I did not forget to take it.) I have a lifelong heart condition which said that pregnancy could kill me. Believe me, I remembered to take it. Sword over head.
Here's the thing - I felt then and I feel today that it was all too easy for me to obtain. I got earfuls from feminist medicos (1977, remember, the zenith of Rabid Feminism) that I should be ever so grateful for the safe option. I received zero counseling about other options. I received only the most cursory look at whether or not my health could actually sustain a pregnancy.
I also inquired about getting my tubes tied - I was trying to be responsible - every medical person I spoke with refused me based on my age and having not had children yet - the very thing they themselves were telling me I should/could never do. So - the medical establishment knows I have a heart condition making pregnancy unwise - yet they would not give me the most sensible solution to the problem. Years later I went on to have one successful pregnancy, (again while having been on birth control - I would have gladly died trying it rather than ever have another abortion) and I'm ever grateful to God, the angels, whomever pulled the spiritual strings for that.
I make zero excuses for myself, this is not a blame-the-system diatribe. But I was very young, I'd done everything right in terms of prevention, and I could have used much more constructive guidance. Instead I was zipped through the whole process quicker than it takes to get anything done at the DMV. I'm the one who has had to live with the regrets, and it's a very high price to pay, I can assure anyone.
I don't want to see a return to back-alley butchers. I don't want to see free-for-all abortion either. I'd like to see carefully-weighed cases each and every time, and limited frames of use. I'd like to see people using birth control more effectively to begin with, which they obviously are not. I'm in a tiny minority for whom it frequently fails.
Gah. Now I don't know if I've even answered the damn questions. This subject . . .
Anyway. We need to dial back the whole thing considerably, trim it down, keep safe abortion available for some cases. But it's being used as post-brith control these days, and I'm sick over that.
Posted by: Laura at November 29, 2005 05:23 PM (tV5tG)
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We diverge in our opinions a bit. But for the most part I am against abortion. I, however, refuse to get involved in what someone else wants to do with her own life and the consequences that fall from the decisions she makes. It is not for me to decide, or to judge.
Now, as to the medically necessary question. I had a friend who was pregnant and developed a very aggressive cancer. She needed to begin treatment immediately. She could not receive treatment without first terminating her pregnancy. Now, she could have stuck it out, but all the opinions she got were that she would likely die prior to the birth of her child. Her choice was to terminate her pregnancy. The cancer, the treatment and the trauma her body sustained have left her sterile. She lives with the decision to choose her own life over the potential that she might bring a child into the world before succumbing to cancer. But, in her case, I guess it was medically necessary. She is alive today, but dead inside.
Posted by: oddybobo at November 29, 2005 06:07 PM (6Gm0j)
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Yes, this is why judgments, imo, shouldn't be leapt to. The situation you've described is not uncommon and it is a terrible, terrible burden of decision. Your friend has my sympathy and my empathy.
Posted by: Laura at November 29, 2005 06:29 PM (tV5tG)
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Thanks for answering Ogre. It was actually my wife, Lisa, who asked the questions this week.
Posted by: Lennie at December 01, 2005 03:01 AM (3eRXR)
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So it was, Lennie. I read that, but forgot it when I started typing up this response!
Thank you Laura and Oddy, for sharing such heart-wrenching stories. That's one reason I hesitate to even post on this topic -- it will ALWAYS bring out extreme emotional positions becuase that's the nature of the topic.
Posted by: Ogre at December 04, 2005 10:39 PM (uSCkp)
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